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Old Feb 23, '12, 4:49 pm
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Default Re: Mormons Anger Jews by Baptism of the Dead, Apologize

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Only because they couldn't find records of the excommunication procedure, and it was assumed that they didn't follow proper procedure.
I think they would have eventually anyway, even if only for appearances.
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Old Feb 23, '12, 5:29 pm
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I think they would have eventually anyway, even if only for appearances.
Well, they had to have an excuse for reversing it. Bishops having the divine authority and inspiration of the holy spirit, and all that. They couldn't back down and say that a mistake had been made.


They didn't have paper shredding machines back then, but fire will do just as well.
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Old Feb 23, '12, 5:33 pm
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I would suggest that they are doing what they think right to benefit the dead. I think God will honor their intention, though not their expected result, and apply it for the benefit of the one prayed for.

I pray for a lot of non-Christians who don't believe in such prayers. Again, God will honor the intention and do what is best. However, I would never publicize my prayers, which would give offense and benefit no one.
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Well, I would personally consider this LDS believer a saint!
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It's bad enough when any religion imposes their initiation process on someone, dead or alive. However, the LDS church is renowned for their record keeping. You'd think that once Anne Frank was 'baptized', they wouldn't allow it 9 (yes nine) more times. Wasn't the first time good enough? Or are they saying that they don't even trust their own baptisms?

Next time a Mormon tells me I have to be baptized in their church for it to be valid, I'm going to ask how many are required before it is considered valid.
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Can we just agree that forced conversions, savings, baptisms, and related sacraments and sacramental are just always wrong?
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It's bad enough when any religion imposes their initiation process on someone, dead or alive. However, the LDS church is renowned for their record keeping. You'd think that once Anne Frank was 'baptized', they wouldn't allow it 9 (yes nine) more times. Wasn't the first time good enough? Or are they saying that they don't even trust their own baptisms?

Next time a Mormon tells me I have to be baptized in their church for it to be valid, I'm going to ask how many are required before it is considered valid.
Maybe they run out of names to use in their temple ceremonies, so they just use names they already have.
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yes....I would agree they run out of names...or they don't bother to communicate with other temples to see who has been baptized or not.

So it also makes me wonder if they are now baptizing us, the living.
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Default Why all the hubbub over LDS posthumous baptisms?

To me, it's not much different than me praying for the soul of a non-Catholic. Their non-Catholic relatives might appreciate the thought, but they'd never be offended by the act. I believe that it has a beneficial effect for the dead person and it's an act of care for a dead friend.

It seems to me that an LDS posthumous baptism is the same thing. I personally don't believe it has any spiritual benefit, but it's a nice gesture. If someone did that for an ancestor of mine, I appreciate that a person cared enough about a family member to do that. It doesn't change my religion and it certainly doesn't change the religion of the dead person but I'd be grateful that someone did the gesture.

It reminds me of Christopher Hitchens' thought about people praying for him while he was sick. He didn't believe it did anything (who's sorry now?) but he said, if praying for him makes you feel good, then that's good for you and he appreciates the gesture.
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I think because they've been asked not to do it....said they wouldn't... been sued over it.... and then continue to do it and lie about it.

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It cannot hurt anything. I agree with the OP. It is intended, based upon their beliefs, as something people need.
And if THEY are right...it certainly cannot hurt anything
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I can tell you why it's offensive to me.

I have grandparents and step-family (father's step-family) who are all active LDS members. My father was forced to become part of the "church" as a teen, though he never embraced the belief system. He has also never removed his name from the rolls, because he refuses to acknowledge that the "church" has any authority over him. He and my mother have been married for almost 30 years, and to this day he has missionaries/home teachers show up and try to convince him that it would be all right for him to divorce her and marry a good Mormon woman. It's unspoken that some of this has been done with my grandparent's knowledge and consent (my grandfather is a "bishop.")

The false teachings of the LDS have caused nothing but strife in my family. Don't get me wrong - I love my grandparents and step-family. I simply cannot, in any way, get on board with their belief system. To baptize the dead is unscriptural and only one of the many teachings that fly in the face of historic, orthodox Christianity. I do not want my name associated with it.'

At the core of it, however, is a sense of heartbreak. I know that these people engage in this practice because they believe it to be part of the salvation process for those who did not acknowledge Christ in this life. (Again, unscriptural). It makes me so sad to know that millions have been swayed with a little bit of truth and a whole lotta lies.
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To the OP - Would you be offended if a pagan tried to contact your dead relative?
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