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Old Feb 20, '12, 8:01 pm
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*And the LifeNews compilation doesn’t include what he did as a state senator in Illinois to ensure that babies who survive abortions should die uncared for.
Does anyone have information on this statement, a reference, etc.? I'm not doubting, but would like to have something to document the claim.


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Old Feb 20, '12, 8:02 pm
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That's quite a lengthy list of Obama's pro-abortion record. And it's only post-election. He had quite a lengthy pro-abortion record before being elected. His pro-abortion record has been well known for a long time. Somehow it was ignored by a great many Catholics in the 2008 election.
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No one is without sin. But some sins are clearly worse than others. If you want to avoid ever mentioning anything that is immoral, you are in the wrong place. We know you love you some Obama, despite his ridiculous evil flaws, but at least call a spade a spade.
So your saying that the government ordering a doctor or technician to rape a woman is less evil than the government allowing a woman to exercise her own conscience in the matter of abortion?

As far as I know, Obama has never forced any woman to have an abortion.
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Hmm.....I have not known an ultra sound to be invasive. Have had many of them myself and relatives have had ultra sounds when pregnant, I have happened to be right there with them in the room.......no probe inserted into the vagina, nothing internal, not even close. LOL....this coming from the NYT.....that's typical.
Transvaginal ultrasounds are often done in early pregnancy - I had one at 8 weeks with my first. The belly ultrasounds don't show enough in the early weeks so they do insert a probe into the vagina if an ultrasound is needed early on. This is not made up.
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Default Re: Pres. Obama’s pro-abortion record chronicled [Fr. Z]

Getting back to the subject of the thread, (which perhaps is uncomfortable for some) this administration promotes the abortion business at every opportunity. There is clearly a great deal a president can do to either promote life or promote abortion, beyond just appointing judges
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Getting back to the subject of the thread, (which perhaps is uncomfortable for some) this administration promotes the abortion business at every opportunity. There is clearly a great deal a president can do to either promote life or promote abortion, beyond just appointing judges
Yes. Obama could stop the GOP from cutting critical social services that provide women with the support they need to keep their children. He could also prevent the GOP from cutting education and nutrition programs. He could preserve Medicare and not let the GOP turn it into a voucher program so that our seniors can live the end of their life in dignity.

Yes, Obama could do a lot of things to promote life.
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So your saying that the government ordering a doctor or technician to rape a woman
Oh dear sweet Lord.
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Does anyone have information on this statement, a reference, etc.? I'm not doubting, but would like to have something to document the claim.


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veryy brief summary here: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647

Jill Stanek provides lots of info on the issue but i can only include one link .
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Yes. Obama could stop the GOP from cutting critical social services that provide women with the support they need to keep their children. He could also prevent the GOP from cutting education and nutrition programs. He could preserve Medicare and not let the GOP turn it into a voucher program so that our seniors can live the end of their life in dignity.

Yes, Obama could do a lot of things to promote life.
Obama's administration eliminated $600 million dollars from Community Health Centers which provide comprehensive health care, free or low cost, to women, men, and children. But Obama held steadfast to continue to give Planned Parenthood money.
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I wonder if we might use the word mistaken rather than evil. That is a pretty awful label to put on someone who is largely trying to do what is right for our country. He is just mistaken on this issue.
Infanticide is not 'mistaken'
It is evil.
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Old Feb 21, '12, 4:17 am
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Let me see, is fooling with the Constitution limited to left wingers? Hmm, I think it was Lincoln who suspended Habeus Corpus in the Civil War, Roosevelt (ok, left of center) who interned the Japanese in WW2, and of course, George Bush who started wire tapping, internet tapping and hijacking cell phone calls. I am sure there are other examples, but let us not paint with too narrow a brush.
I hear the call very loud...

"You can't call it sin...you're no better...everyone does it...we are just mistaken, not sinning..."

The focus here is the pro-death record of the current President.
If you wish to view this in the context of the sins of others, that is your right. But that is a mistake due to the tendency to diminish the serious nature of sin when putting it against a background of sin.

It is best to hold actions up to God's commands, not others sins.

At present, I cannot describe Obama's actions concerning the issue in any way other then evil.
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Seems like lawmakers in Virginia believe it is their right to force a woman to be vaginally probed against her will. I call that rape.
This is an ultrasound before an abortion.
Not rape.

And it is the free choice of the women to undergo the procedure before having her child killed.

In point of fact, this is the first procedure in murder...not rape.
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Yes, Obama could do a lot of things to promote life.
He could, but he doesn't.

Instead, he actively supports the evil that is abortion every single time he has the opportunity.
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veryy brief summary here: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647

Jill Stanek provides lots of info on the issue but i can only include one link .
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Does anyone have information on this statement, a reference, etc.? I'm not doubting, but would like to have something to document the claim.


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http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2...to_barack.html

Interesting and informative links and revealing about the altar of dear leader.

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