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Old Feb 24, '12, 9:34 am
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Why should we focus on our unsustainable economic path when we can talk about contraception?
Indeed. It will likely be the Obama campaign making contraception an issue and painting the opposition as fanatics.

One could in fact raise the issue of contraception as a salient factor causing the adverse demographics which now threaten the viability of Social Security and Medicare. But the public wouldn't have the patience to listen to that.
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Old Feb 24, '12, 11:35 am
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I am stunned, and nearly mystified, at all of you staunch defenders of the International Banking Cartel. Where do you people find the time? Surely, your cause must be once more strained at the demands now placed upon you to again raise money for the legal defense fund of your hero, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, former IMF dictator, who has again found himself in the spotlight for corruptions too numerous to list, in France.

So let us all raise our voices as one, in honor of the scoundrel and reprobate, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, and all he represents,... and let us shout, "Hip-Hip Hoooray!!!" Let us raise our glasses high, and salute the financial rape of the third world, Eastern Europe, and any and all who are financially vulnerable, and while we are are at it, let's salute the "literal' rape that Strauss-Kahn's vile ethos seems to embrace. Foul...and repulsive to the core.

Where there is sin, there too you shall find sinners. How anyone can defend this sort of corruption leaves me perplexed. I, personally, feel great sorrow and empathy for our Greek brothers and sisters, who also happen to be fellow Christians.
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Old Feb 24, '12, 11:45 am
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I am stunned, and nearly mystified, at all of you staunch defenders of the International Banking Cartel. Where do you people find the time? Surely, your cause must be once more strained at the demands now placed upon you to again raise money for the legal defense fund of your hero, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, former IMF dictator, who has again found himself in the spotlight for corruptions too numerous to list, in France.

So let us all raise our voices as one, in honor of the scoundrel and reprobate, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, and all he represents,... and let us shout, "Hip-Hip Hoooray!!!" Let us raise our glasses high, and salute the financial rape of the third world, Eastern Europe, and any and all who are financially vulnerable, and while we are are at it, let's salute the "literal' rape that Strauss-Kahn's vile ethos seems to embrace. Foul...and repulsive to the core.

Where there is sin, there too you shall find sinners. How anyone can defend this sort of corruption leaves me perplexed. I, personally, feel great sorrow and empathy for our Greek brothers and sisters, who also happen to be fellow Christians.
I am not sure which actions of which bank cartels you have in mind. I don't defend manipulation by banks or cartels. My point is that without respect to banks, no nation can indefinitely spend more than it takes in. That way lies bankruptcy.
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I am not sure which actions of which bank cartels you have in mind. I don't defend manipulation by banks or cartels. My point is that without respect to banks, no nation can indefinitely spend more than it takes in. That way lies bankruptcy.
Even banks cannot do this without the tool of fiat currency.
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Sorry I snapped at you.
Don't worry about it. I just wish the mainstream media would give more of the story from the average Greek citizen's perspective kind of like the quotes and views you've provided. Instead, we just get the same narrative of "the people all overspent and now they are getting the result".
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Are Greeks the hardest workers in Europe?

Well, they work the most hours per year, compared to other EU nationals.
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Are Greeks the hardest workers in Europe?

Well, they work the most hours per year, compared to other EU nationals.
They have to. They're forced to retire at 50.
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They have to. They're forced to retire at 50.
That is not true.

The average age of retirement is 61. The official age for private sector is 65 for men and younger for women. Some of the unhealthy or dangerous jobs allow for retirement early, but still after 37 years of work. These people are a small percentage. For some jobs people could choose to retire earlier than 65, but at a reduced pension. And pensions from private sector are often pitiful anyway. The government pensions tend to be much better, which is why everyone wanted to work for the government.
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Old Feb 26, '12, 11:01 am
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That is not true.

The average age of retirement is 61. The official age for private sector is 65 for men and younger for women. Some of the unhealthy or dangerous jobs allow for retirement early, but still after 37 years of work. These people are a small percentage. For some jobs people could choose to retire earlier than 65, but at a reduced pension. And pensions from private sector are often pitiful anyway. The government pensions tend to be much better, which is why everyone wanted to work for the government.
And that's probably one of the reasons why they're in trouble today.
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Old Feb 26, '12, 11:25 am
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Greece might be getting the boot from the EU soon. Further tough times for the Greeks ahead, even if it is an orderly exit.

"German Cabinet Minister Calls For Greek Eurozone Exit"

http://blogs.the-american-interest.c...eurozone-exit/
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I do not see how pointing out the vulnerability and naivete' of those victimized in any way expiates the guilt of the pervasive phenomenon of a rogue International Predatory Banking organism which has bound-up the global financial future with tendrils so intricately interwoven that genuine investigation is nearly impossible.

One may look upon a corpse in a dark alley, throat slit from ear to ear, and question the victim's wisdom at having chosen to walk down such a dangerous path, but one must never lose sight of the fact that the TRUE villain is the murderer who wielded the blade.

Please, out of simple decency, let us not exculpate the International Banks in this sad, and dangerous affair. It is a position that insults the intellect, and completely lacks credibility.
Those nasty international bankers didn't borrow the money...they didn't spend more money than they could pay back. No one forced these loans on Greece. This isn't murder...it's suicide. Greece did this to themselves and the US is following quickly.
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Greece might be getting the boot from the EU soon. Further tough times for the Greeks ahead, even if it is an orderly exit.

"German Cabinet Minister Calls For Greek Eurozone Exit"

http://blogs.the-american-interest.c...eurozone-exit/
The EU and the Eurozone are not synonymous.
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