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Old Feb 24, '12, 8:58 am
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Default Re: McDonnell reverses position on ultrasound abortion bill

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I haven't read the bill, so correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the article it originally required the woman to undergo a vaginal ultrasound. I have serious problems with the concept of anyone but a person's doctor deciding what type of ultrasound they need or whether they need one at all. Every type of intervention has its uses, limitations, dos and don'ts, all of which may not be understood without appropriate training.
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It seemed to me that the transvaginal ultrasound was posed as a required procedure in order to coerce women from getting an abortion. I believe this is not the right route to take in Pro-Life arena. It is a rather base method of meeting the grace social illness of abortion.
The HB 462 bill does not mandate that a transvaginal ultrasound is done instead of an abdominal ultrasound.

Look at the disciplinary action taken before against abortionists in Virginia because they did not know the accurate gestational age of the baby:
  • In 1999 the Virginia Board of Medicine disciplined abortionist Mi Yong Kim for beginning the abortion of a mother she believed was 8 weeks pregnant via pelvic exam, only to have to stop the abortion because the baby was much larger. A hospital ultrasound determined the baby was actually 26-4/7 weeks, and still alive. Kim performed a hysterotomy without further consulting the mother and delivered the dead baby, who weighed a little over 2 pounds, consistent with the measured gestational age.

  • In 2006 the Virginia Board of Medicine suspended the license of abortionist Reffat K. Abofreka for underestimating a preborn baby’s age on one occasion and missing a mass on another:

    ~ In January 2006 Abofreka began the abortion of a baby he thought was 12 weeks old by pelvic exam only to find the baby was much larger. The baby was later delivered alive at a hospital measuring 23-2/7 weeks but died.

    ~ In 2005 Abofreka performed no diagnostic tests whatsoever and began an abortion of a patient. When Abofreka could not get “a satisfactory amount of tissue during the procedure,” he wondered if this was instead an ectopic pregnancy and performed an ultrasound, whereupon discovering a cystic mass between the uterus and left ovary. At the hospital it was determined there was indeed a mass and also a 6-6/7 week old baby. Whether the baby lived or died is unknown.

http://www.jillstanek.com/2012/02/ab...pe/#more-59828
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Old Feb 24, '12, 9:54 am
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Default Re: McDonnell reverses position on ultrasound abortion bill

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Originally Posted by _Abyssinia View Post
The HB 462 bill does not mandate that a transvaginal ultrasound is done instead of an abdominal ultrasound.

Look at the disciplinary action taken before against abortionists in Virginia because they did not know the accurate gestational age of the baby:
  • In 1999 the Virginia Board of Medicine disciplined abortionist Mi Yong Kim for beginning the abortion of a mother she believed was 8 weeks pregnant via pelvic exam, only to have to stop the abortion because the baby was much larger. A hospital ultrasound determined the baby was actually 26-4/7 weeks, and still alive. Kim performed a hysterotomy without further consulting the mother and delivered the dead baby, who weighed a little over 2 pounds, consistent with the measured gestational age.

  • In 2006 the Virginia Board of Medicine suspended the license of abortionist Reffat K. Abofreka for underestimating a preborn baby’s age on one occasion and missing a mass on another:

    ~ In January 2006 Abofreka began the abortion of a baby he thought was 12 weeks old by pelvic exam only to find the baby was much larger. The baby was later delivered alive at a hospital measuring 23-2/7 weeks but died.

    ~ In 2005 Abofreka performed no diagnostic tests whatsoever and began an abortion of a patient. When Abofreka could not get “a satisfactory amount of tissue during the procedure,” he wondered if this was instead an ectopic pregnancy and performed an ultrasound, whereupon discovering a cystic mass between the uterus and left ovary. At the hospital it was determined there was indeed a mass and also a 6-6/7 week old baby. Whether the baby lived or died is unknown.

http://www.jillstanek.com/2012/02/ab...pe/#more-59828
Disciplinary action against doctors for not rendering quality care...that's what's supposed to happen. Is a separate law going to be crafted to address every issue over which doctors are disciplined? What is the medical standard of care for abortions now? Which body crafted those standards and why can't they similarly take care of the ultrasound issue?
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