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Old Feb 24, '12, 9:36 pm
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Question Demonic Obsession?

Hello everyone. I am an eighteen year old female, and I THINK I just suffer from severe OCD. I am concerned, because I recently read about demonic obsession and am worried that I have that instead.

I get intruisive thoughts, and sudden urges to do violent things (that I know I wouldn't do) and then I become worried that I would act on them.

Most of the time, however, I suffer with religious scrupulousity. I am always worried about whether I am an awful person, or if I am acting as a good Catholic.

I do not get nightmares that are common with diabolical obsession, nor do I have any strange hallucinations. It's just the thoughts (which have never depressed me enough to want to commit suicide...well maybe once, but I spoke to my mom and I felt so much better). The thing is, I just want to grow closer to God when I feel these thoughts.

I am frightened that I have demonic obsession, though. Do you think this is irrational of me? Am I alright, and is it just OCD? Also, one thing that scares me the most is having to seek out an exorcist. Would someone with demonic obsession NEED an exorcism or is that only for possession?

Please keep me in your prayers and thanks in advance for any advice.

God bless.
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Old Feb 24, '12, 10:49 pm
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Hi. I think you should see your doctor to find out if you have a mental illness. Mental illness is far more common than demonic obsession or possession. Anyway, if you did talk to an exorcist, that's the first thing he'd try to determine anyway: whether you have a mental illness. I hope all goes well with you.
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Hi. I think you should see your doctor to find out if you have a mental illness. Mental illness is far more common than demonic obsession or possession. Anyway, if you did talk to an exorcist, that's the first thing he'd try to determine anyway: whether you have a mental illness. I hope all goes well with you.
Thank you for your answer. I have been to a doctor and have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression and OCD. The meds I am on help quite a lot, but every once in a while, I get a "flare up" of worries.
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You're welcome. Since you've been diagnosed with those conditions, it's probably best to stay away from books or internet articles about demons.
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If you think it might be then get yourself a St.Benedicts cross and have it blessed, if possible by a monk but even if not any priest can use the formula from the quote in the next post to bless it. Wear it at all times except when bathing, when you put it on say the prayer on the back, its not in english but it goes like this:
May the cross of the lord be my light,
and the dragon be not my leader!
Away Satan! Entice me not with thy empty promises
for what you offer is evil, Drink thy own poison.
Amen

These are supposedly what St.Benedict himself said as he made the sign of the cross against demonic oppression or temptation.


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From St Andrews Abbey Website.

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The Medal of St. Benedict

St. Benedict blessed by God both in grace and in name, Patriarch of Western Monasticism, and founder of the Order which bears his name, was born in Nursia, Italy, in 480 and died in 547. As the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ was a chief object of devotion to the early Christians, so it was to Benedict. It was this devotion to the Cross, the sign of our redemption, that gave rise to the medal of St. Benedict, for devotion to the Medal of St. Benedict is above all else devotion to the sign of our salvation. The Saint often employed the sign of the Cross to work miracles and to overcome the devil and his temptations. From the earliest centuries after his death Benedict is represented bearing the Cross of Christ together with the Holy Rule.

The Jubilee Medal of St. Benedict represents on the one side the holy Patriarch holding in the one hand the cross, and in the other the Holy Rule. On the other side is shown a cross with certain letters on and around it. They are in reality ejaculatory prayers which may have been frequently in the mouth of St. Benedict himself. The letters in the angles of the cross, C. S. P. B., stand for the words: Crux Sancti Patris Benedicti. (The Cross of Holy Father Benedict.) On the perpendicular bar of the cross are the letters: C. S. S. M. L., They signify: Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux. ( May the Holy Cross be my light.) On the horizontal bar we find: N. D. S. M. D., that is, Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux. ( Let not the Dragon be my guide.) Around the margin may be seen: V. R. S. N. S. M. V. S. M. Q. L. I. V. B. These initials stand for the verses: Vade Retro Satana! Nunquam Suade Mihi Vana. Sunt Mala Quae Libas; Ipse Venena Bibas. ( Be gone, Satan! Suggest not to me thy vain things. The cup thou proffer est me is evil; drink thou thy poison.) These or similar words may have been used by St. Benedict when making use of the sign of the cross against the devil and his temptations.

Above the Cross we find the word PAX ( Peace), the motto of the Benedictine Order, to denote a blessing which the Medal brings upon the devout wearer. On the right side of St. Benedict is the poisoned cup, shattered by the sign of the Cross, which the Saint made over it; on his left we have a raven about to carry away a poisoned loaf of bread sent to the holy Patriarch. Above the cup and the rave stands the inscription: Crux S. Patris Benedicti. ( The Cross of Holy Father Benedict.) Around the edge of the same side are the words: Ejus in Obitu nostro Praesentia Muniamur. ( At our death may we be protected by his presence. Below we read: Ex S. Monte Casino. MDCCCLXXX. Abbey of Monte Cassino, 1880.)

No special way of carrying or applying the Medal is prescribed. It may be worn about the neck, attached to the scapular or the Rosary, or otherwise carried about one's person. It may be dipped into the water or medicine to be given to the sick: or it may be applied to their wounds. Often it is placed in the foundations of houses, hung over the doors or on the walls of dwelling places, stables, barns, or attached to automobiles, to call down God's blessing and the protection of St. Benedict, and the power of the Church's blessing. Also no particular prayers are prescribed, as the devout wearing itself is a continual silent prayer. If, however, some extraordinary favor through the use of the Medal is sought, one may make a novena or triduum, making each day the Way of the Cross, or reciting five Our Fathers and Hail Marys in honor of the five wounds of our Lord, and saying some prayers in honor of St. Benedict. In time of temptation, it is advisable to hold the Medal in one's hand, kiss it reverently, and make use of the ejaculatory prayers on the Medal.

Blessing
The only medal in existence the blessing of which the church has honored with a special exorcism and in the Roman Ritual, is the Medal of Saint Benedict. As in the case in all her greater blessings, the Church begins by exorcising the medals to be blessed, in order to withdraw them from the influence of the evil spirit. Next follows the blessing proper. The following is a translation of a shorter form for blessing the Medal of St Benedict. This blessing must be done by a Benedictine to obtain the full benefits of the medal.

V. Our help is in the name of the Lord.

R. Who made heaven and earth.

I exorcise you, O medals, by God the Father + Almighty, who made heaven and earth and all things that are in them. May all the power of the enemy, the entire diabolical host, all the assaults, all the illusions of Satan be removed and expelled from these medals: that they may be conducive to the health, both of mind and of body, of those who shall use them: In the name of the Father + Almighty, and of Jesus + Christ, His Son, our Lord, and of the Holy + Spirit, the Paraclete, and in the charity of the same Jesus Christ, our Lord, who shall come to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire. Amen.

Let us pray!

Almighty God, giver of all good things, we humbly beseech you that, through the intercession of Saint Benedict, you will impart to these medals your + benediction: in order that all who carry them and earnestly strive to perform good works, may deserve to obtain health of mind and body, the grace of sanctification, and the indulgences granted to us; also that they may endeavor, with Your merciful help, to escape all the snares and deceits of the devil, and my be able to appear holy and stainless in Your sight. We ask this through Christ, our Lord. Amen.
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The way I see it it's not either one or the other but rather it may be both. It can't hurt to do as I advised so long as she stays on her meds and keeps contact with her doctor. I was diagnosed with OCD a long time ago (Compulsive hand washing and pulling out my hair) but since I started treating it as a demonic problem it went away. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up or make a medical diagnosis, but it can't hurt to attack the problem from both angles and it might well help.


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The way I see it it's not either one or the other but rather it may be both. It can't hurt to do as I advised so long as she stays on her meds and keeps contact with her doctor. I was diagnosed with OCD a long time ago (Compulsive hand washing and pulling out my hair) but since I started treating it as a demonic problem it went away. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up or make a medical diagnosis, but it can't hurt to attack the problem from both angles and it might well help.


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Thank you so much for your response, it was most helpful. I guess the only other question I have is, is it critical that I go see a priest right away, or can I wait and try these suggestions for a while? Other posters mentioned going to see a priest, but I am unsure if they thought this was too serious to try to deal with on my own.
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You don't need religion. You need medical professionals and drugs.

As far as mental illness goes religion only goes so far, giving you a pseudo affect that works for a while.

Every medical option must be excercized before spiritual avenues are.
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You need spiritual counsel from a trained priest for your scrupulosity and you need professional treatment from a qualified therapist for your OCD.

Please do not delay either of these.
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You need spiritual counsel from a trained priest for your scrupulosity and you need professional treatment from a qualified therapist for your OCD.

Please do not delay either of these.
So you do not think it is not Demonic Obsession, but more likely scrupulosity?
I have a therapist for these problems who I see weekly. I am also on medication for anxiety and depression, which also helps my OCD. I just get "flare ups" every once in a while, I guess. I do not like to take medications, nor am I willing to switch. I have fibromyalgia, which makes me highly sensitive to the chemicals in meds, and basically every pill I have tried (except the ones I am taking currently) has made me very sick, increasing my depression, anxiety, and worries. So if I can just help myself through prayer, and the Sacraments, then I would rather do that.

I guess, also, my main question is, if I do not seek a priest right away...would the devil take over my soul or something? I know that this probably sounds silly, but it is my OCD making me worry. :/ Thank you for your response.
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So you do not think it is not Demonic Obsession, but more likely scrupulosity?
I have a therapist for these problems who I see weekly. I am also on medication for anxiety and depression, which also helps my OCD. I just get "flare ups" every once in a while, I guess. I do not like to take medications, nor am I willing to switch. I have fibromyalgia, which makes me highly sensitive to the chemicals in meds, and basically every pill I have tried (except the ones I am taking currently) has made me very sick, increasing my depression, anxiety, and worries. So if I can just help myself through prayer, and the Sacraments, then I would rather do that.

I guess, also, my main question is, if I do not seek a priest right away...would the devil take over my soul or something? I know that this probably sounds silly, but it is my OCD making me worry. :/ Thank you for your response.
I have already answered your question. You need to be under the care of both a therapist and a priest and when you have these sorts of thoughts you need to talk to THEM. Not to unqualified people on an anonymous internet forum.

The devil cannot "take over your soul".
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Thank you so much for your response, it was most helpful. I guess the only other question I have is, is it critical that I go see a priest right away, or can I wait and try these suggestions for a while? Other posters mentioned going to see a priest, but I am unsure if they thought this was too serious to try to deal with on my own.
Yes, you should definitely see a priest, and as other posters have pointed out you should continue seeing your psychologist as well. If it is demonic then it is important to note that the evil ones plan involves driving you to isolation. Don't spiritually self medicate or you could wind up in worse trouble.
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You don't need religion. You need medical professionals and drugs.

As far as mental illness goes religion only goes so far, giving you a pseudo affect that works for a while.

Every medical option must be excercized before spiritual avenues are.
God heals minds and souls, I think that it is dangerously irresponsible to suggest that we should only bring god in as a last resort. To quote my priests homily from a few weeks ago, "Prayer should be our lives steering wheel, and not it's spare tire." I certainly agree one should seek medical assistance as well as spiritual, but I've never heard of someone being hurt by praying.

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You need spiritual counsel from a trained priest for your scrupulosity and you need professional treatment from a qualified therapist for your OCD.

Please do not delay either of these.
This is good advice.

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As far as mental illness goes religion only goes so far, giving you a pseudo affect that works for a while.
I thought God was all powerful. Did I miss something important? Expect miracles my friend or you can be sure they won't come. After every healing Christ said, "Your faith has saved you."

Pax te cum;
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So you do not think it is not Demonic Obsession, but more likely scrupulosity?
I have a therapist for these problems who I see weekly. I am also on medication for anxiety and depression, which also helps my OCD. I just get "flare ups" every once in a while, I guess. I do not like to take medications, nor am I willing to switch. I have fibromyalgia, which makes me highly sensitive to the chemicals in meds, and basically every pill I have tried (except the ones I am taking currently) has made me very sick, increasing my depression, anxiety, and worries. So if I can just help myself through prayer, and the Sacraments, then I would rather do that.

I guess, also, my main question is, if I do not seek a priest right away...would the devil take over my soul or something? I know that this probably sounds silly, but it is my OCD making me worry. :/ Thank you for your response.
The devil at his very worst in full possession can only take over your body, your soul is your's in a very unique and inviolable way. If you don't like your current medication talk to your doctor about it, don't stop taking it without his council. In situations like this I try to give advice that is helpful no matter whether the problem is natural or preternatural. The St. Benedicts crucifix is a valuable grace bearing sacramental whether or not these thoughts are demonic, but if they are it can be the difference. Get in touch with your pastor, get holy and make sure your doctor is aware of your concerns about the prescribed medication.

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I have already answered your question. You need to be under the care of both a therapist and a priest and when you have these sorts of thoughts you need to talk to THEM. Not to unqualified people on an anonymous internet forum.

The devil cannot "take over your soul".
Again, I agree.
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