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Mar 2, '12, 12:39 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
I find this discussion very interesting on this Lenten Friday as it coincides with a recent epiphany I've had. It has recently hit me, as if I had never known it: How utterly cruel Christ's death and suffering was! How public, how utterly tearing and humiliating, how defeating, how merciless and unjust, how terribly lonely and isolated with no one even to watch with him, how terribly cold and rejecting and contemptuous the whole thing was.
It has prompted me to ask a question that may sound silly coming from a Christian, but: WHY?  Why did it have to be so bad? Why so terrible? Jesus is so rejected- so offended by people, yet he's so good by any objective standard any honest man from any culture might measure him with- Universally good, that's Jesus. How can such a good person be the target of such hatred and violence and contempt? Why is he so much hated, this honestly holy person?
It prompted me to ask Our Lady to help me not to reject and offend him any more than he already suffered and any more than I've already offended him every single hour of every day of my life-- Jesus' suffering is already too much! (But then almost immediately after-ward, I found myself already offending him in little cruelties and unkindness to others.  But I'm not giving up and will continue to try.) Now on top of the unspeakable rejection expressed in the abuses and cruelties dealt to our Lord that Friday in Jerusalem, 2000 years ago, we have people throwing human waste at the image of Christ? Jesus suffers and endures too much. Its just an enigma- I've found myself puzzled and puzzling.
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Mar 2, '12, 3:41 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
The comparison to Christianity and Islamic jouralism has been a hot topic everywhere. The World News Over covered it last night. The process of change is public awareness. And a constant confrontation of the Truth. No secret the level of journalism has been by large very corrupted. Well covered also on the BBC and self-evident on Fox and CNN etc.
Unfortuante that the motivation is fear in jounalism. There is no simple solution, for most motivated by fear are not living the Scriptures anyway, the contrast of fear and love just isn't comprehended.
I also agree with Publisher, it is the truth, the Sermon on the Mount is very clear. Confronting evil is a very different concept than doing evil, and contrary to Scripture to resist all evil. Confronting evil is to put the truth up for what it is without resorting to fighting fire with fire, thus promoting peace through Love.
We see it daily throughout Christianity today. Perhaps we are not there so are disconnected to s degree, still the same I feel their pain.
Ignoring evil is to accept it, to accept it is to cooperate with it, to cooperate with it is to promote it. Fighting fire with fire creates a larger fire. Fighting fire with water puts out the fire, opposing opposites.
Christ changed the Silver Rule of Mose's to the Golden Rule thus moral-ethical minimizing to moral-ethical maximizing. Its the Beatitudes, and consistant NT.
The church correctly understood is a suffering, persecuted Church, a pilgram in exile on Earth. If your only seeing worldy physical beauty my suggestion would be to purchase the CCC or borrow it from the local library. Well documented, well explained often read sola scriptura to our dismay. Yes its a literal Book, 688 pages, 800 with the index.
"if they do these things to Me in the the green wood, what will they do to You in the dry?"
St Paul on the road to Damascus is another stunning reality. Saul, Proud leader, killer of Christians, on his way to persecute more. Then, in flashing moment he was on the ground humbled, in a flashing moment the truth he did not know, could no longer be denied. And he preached it the rest of his life
He no longer rode to Damascus proud, but was lead by others because he could not see, "blind" and in humility. And in his life he came to know exactly what it was to be crucified on the Cross, just as the Lord said he would.
This who cannot understand and refuse to listen are Saul on the way to Damascus. Those who are persecuted for the Lord daily throughout this world, are BLESSED.
Such is the Faithful endurance the distinguishes Gods Holy people.
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Mar 2, '12, 6:16 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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Please! My son, who is "retarded" (an offensive term) does not need to be placated, nor are his whims lunatic.
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You called your son "retarded". I would never call him that. Never. Period.
Here, and I treat children who do not go as fast as the others, we call them "children with special (or specific) needs". Children with cerebral palsy, or brain damage or visual impairment or hard of hearing or whatsoever.
Anyhow, you may understand that I did not mean to offend your son.
If I did, I apologize.
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Mar 2, '12, 6:40 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
Sometimes I wish the Lord would throw down a few well-placed lightning bolts and put the fear of you-know-where into a few of these anti-Christian, anti-Catholic government and media clowns.
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Mar 2, '12, 6:55 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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And getting swords don't leave that part out. 
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Yes but the response of "We have two...." and then one of their use to chop a man's ear off got the reponse...""Peter, put up you sword, he that lives by the sword shall die by the sword"....I realize you are Baptist....seems to me that if Jesus addressed Peter directly when he stated "You are Peter...." and "bulid my church" gives way to the papacy...Jesus directly stating "PETER...put up your sword" would carry an equal amount of weight.
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Mar 2, '12, 6:58 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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Sometimes I wish the Lord would throw down a few well-placed lightning bolts and put the fear of you-know-where into a few of these anti-Christian, anti-Catholic government and media clowns.
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He isn't...and won't....instead of behaving like Zeus...He entered our humanity to teach us a new way to live...a new way to be....a better way to handle conflict than violence....He calls us to "love your enemies....." "pray for those who despitefully use you"....."go the second mile".
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Mar 2, '12, 7:28 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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But Jesus is fair game because, he said, Christianity has broad shoulders and fewer ties to ethnicity.
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Hmm.... sounds like a lot of BS to me...
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Mr Sissons, whose memoirs were serialised in the Daily Mail, said: “Islam must not be offended at any price, although Christians are fair game because they do nothing about it if they are offended.”
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Ahhhh that sounds more like it! So basically, by their own admission, they attack Christians specifically because they don't fight back. In other words, they are cowards. Well at Mr. Sissons is an honest coward!
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Mar 2, '12, 7:35 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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And since such ramifications is KNOWN as a distinct possibility by religious extremists...I wouldn't call it "cowardice" as much as "prudence".
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It IS cowardice! If you attack one group because they don't fight back, that is cowardice.
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Mar 2, '12, 7:44 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit. But my co-writer Harald said ‘I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie’. And he was right. … We have to all … in the Western world … think about this. You can actually … let … Christian symbols fall apart, but if you would do this with [an] Arab symbol, you would have … a fatwa
Roland Emmerich director of the movie (2012)
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Mar 2, '12, 7:51 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit. But my co-writer Harald said ‘I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie’. And he was right. … We have to all … in the Western world … think about this. You can actually … let … Christian symbols fall apart, but if you would do this with [an] Arab symbol, you would have … a fatwa
Roland Emmerich director of the movie (2012)
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Sounds the epitome of prudence to me.
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Mar 2, '12, 8:42 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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Sometimes I wish the Lord would throw down a few well-placed lightning bolts and put the fear of you-know-where into a few of these anti-Christian, anti-Catholic government and media clowns.
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Mark 3:17. A pun concerning the verse?
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Mar 2, '12, 8:50 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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It IS cowardice! If you attack one group because they don't fight back, that is cowardice.
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It is cowardice certainly but also politics since the left is wedded to islam against democracy. PS The BBC is on the left..so far left that Masterpiece Specials aren't good enough to make up for it.
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Mar 2, '12, 9:00 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
I don't get why it isn't illegal to mock religious beliefs.
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Mar 2, '12, 9:04 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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Those people have always been unreliable, full of heated and manipulating opinions which they love to portray as facts. Off topic, but still.
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Mar 2, '12, 9:19 am
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Re: We’ll mock Jesus but not Mohammed, says BBC boss
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They will mock Him now but justice will be served.
"See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire."
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