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Old Mar 3, '12, 10:20 am
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Default Re: Women should keep silent??? 1Corinth14:34-35

I read this to my wife,




and she kept silent





for quite a long time really
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I read this to my wife,


and she kept silent


for quite a long time really



.....Good. ..now I can read the verse to my wife too...since you survived the next day.........
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and she kept silent





for quite a long time really
Perhaps she will read you a phrase in return? Although it is not Biblical.

"Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned."
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Default Re: Women should keep silent??? 1Corinth14:34-35

I cam across several related verses while I was skimming Proverbs this morning. My favorite is 11:22.

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Like a golden ring in a swine's snout
is a beautiful woman with a rebellious disposition.
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Even today men should keep quiet too, unless saying prayers!! Not just women.
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Even today men should keep quiet too, unless saying prayers!! Not just women.
Your right...men too gossip like women.

But in all seriousness I despise gender wars.
Who in their right mind is going to pick an argument with God as to whether either gender man or woman be lesser than the other?

It easy for some to take biblical scripture readings completely out of context.

1 PETER - Chapter 3
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1 In *like manner also, let wives be subject to their husbands: that if any believe not the word, they may be gained without the word, by the conversation of the wives,

2 Considering your chaste conversation with fear.

3 *Whose adorning let it not be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel:

4 But the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptibility of a quiet and a meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God:

5 For after this manner heretofore also the holy women, hoping in God, adorned themselves, being subject to their own husbands.

6 *As Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters you are, doing well, and not fearing any trouble.

7 *Ye husbands, likewise dwelling with them according to knowledge, giving honour to the woman, as to the weaker vessel, and as to the coheirs of the grace of life: that your prayers be not hindered.

8 And finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, loving the brotherhood, merciful, modest, humble:

9 *Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing; but on the contrary, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may inherit a blessing.

10 *For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile.

11 *Let him decline from evil, and do good: let him seek peace, and pursue it:

12 Because the eyes of the Lord are upon the just, and his ears unto their prayers: but the countenance of the Lord against them that do evil things.
I believe too if one reads Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition. on 1 PETER - Chapter 3 helps make a far better explanation without taking verses out of context. http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id267.html
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I don't have any links off hand but I remember being taught this was a condemnation due to a cultural problem.

From what I was told women were prone to speaking up during services to ask their husbands (who sat across the room) what the Rabbi meant. Since women were not allowed to sit with men and they were a rooms width apart the women had to shout to be heard. This was such a disruption that Paul had to admonish this behavior.
But that's what my Methodist minister use to say, and that is what they use to tell us as to why they think female clerics are okay.
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I trust that the meaning of 1Corinth14:34-35 was cultural, as mentioned earlier.

I dread to think what the world would be like if Mary had remained silent when asked if she would be willing to be the mother of Our Savior, or remained silent when the wine ran out at the wedding. Her one act of faith prompted the first recorded miracle that Jesus performed ------ at a sacred event, a wedding, no less. Yes, I dread to think what the world would be like if many of women throughout history had remained silent.
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But that's what my Methodist minister use to say, and that is what they use to tell us as to why they think female clerics are okay.
I haven't always been Catholic.

This is the explanation I was given when I was Protestant.

They may use this as the reason why women clerics are all right but I would ask them why Jesus did not appoint a female Apostle in the elite twelve. He had the power right then and there to ordain a female and he didn't. So why didn't he?
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It easy for some to take biblical scripture readings completely out of context.
There's a passage about God forgiving and forgetting our past transgressions. I can't remember which one it is. Ask my husband. He likes to quote it verbatim whenever I bring up the time he...



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Culture and context truly only works in descriptive passages, not passages which command certain things.

By the logic displayed by some here, none of the Bible is pertinent and it's just a collection of aphorisms.

" I heard", "they said", etc.

Where's the proof? In the pudding of course.

If he meant gossip, he'd have said gossip. If he meant gossip, he also meant that the husbands should then, at home, relay gossip. Uhhhh

He very clearly meant that women shouldn't be speaking in church.

St. John Chrysostom got it: http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/112/1120041.htm
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It is also mentioned that women can pray & forecast in church.

But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved.{1 Corinthians
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I haven't always been Catholic.

This is the explanation I was given when I was Protestant.

They may use this as the reason why women clerics are all right but I would ask them why Jesus did not appoint a female Apostle in the elite twelve. He had the power right then and there to ordain a female and he didn't. So why didn't he?
They said that because of the way things were back then, if they had a woman appointed, she wouldn't be listened to.
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They said that because of the way things were back then, if they had a woman appointed, she wouldn't be listened to.
I say ; Nonsense. Perhaps the Jewish followers wouldn't have listened but there were female clerics in those times as well as male.

Way I see it, Jesus wasn't too interested in what man wanted. He did what God wanted and had God wanted female Apostles there would have been a female Apostle.

I encourage you to read the Gospels closely. Tell me if you think Jesus was the sort to cow tow to cultural norms.
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OK - so I'm in a process of reading the scriptures, and this sticks out at me. This doesn't fit well with my understanding of the Church or Christ. I don't understand this verse at first glance.


Can someone point me to some good commentary on this?

Thanks!

Hi and welcome! I understand the confusion this sometimes causes. What helps me on this is another very important scripture: "Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven....whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven." I take from this the fact that the Magisterium of the Church now welcomes women as lectors, teachers, Religious Sisters, and all manner of dignified places in our Holy Church. Down through the ages, The Church has evolved within its traditions, to now welcome us in a more expansive way.

Some members of the early Church had some cultural beliefs about women that we do not share today. Some people of course, are impatient and demand further that we be allowed to enter the Priesthood, which is not the subject here. When the scripture you mention (about dis-allowing women speaking at all) comes up, I believe we can point to the fact that The Church now certainly not only allows our speaking up, but welcomes our contributions. I believe Our Lady, The Blessed Virgin Mary, is pleased with this!
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