Warning before ban? - Page 2

**Dale_M** · #16 Mar 12, '12, 4:22 am

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Originally Posted by pnewton

No one is immune and if anything, we should be more responsible with time. As Treebeard said, "A wizard should know better."

I agree. When other members see the title "Forum Elder" or "Forum Master" they often expect a more temperate and even-handed perspective in our posts.

As for special privileges, I think there are plenty of rewards in the CAF membership system already. If a Forum Elder were to somehow get themselves banned, there is a procedure to have the ban lifted. I suspect a good record of multiple years here would be a factor in being allowed to return.

Sam_777 · #17 Mar 12, '12, 4:27 am

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Originally Posted by Dale_M

If a Forum Elder were to somehow get themselves banned, there is a procedure to have the ban lifted.

That is a good start indeed....., do you have the CAF reference link for that?

Fiasco · #18 Mar 12, '12, 4:33 am

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Originally Posted by Sam_777

I disagree with you here, I think if a person is spending most of his/her time on a religious board is much better than a non-religious one.......
So that person should have some sort of reward for that contribution.
Moreover, a person with such record posts and years, he or she should get thorough detailed inspection before banning them just because they got angry once or twice.....

Totally agree with everything you say. It`s too easy to notice only the bad side of a person.

**Dale_M** · #19 Mar 12, '12, 5:13 am

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Originally Posted by Sam_777

That is a good start indeed....., do you have the CAF reference link for that?

The formal process is not known from me. I just know at a procedure for returning does exist.

This is from the Forum Admin's explanation of banning

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APPEALS: Should you receive a private communication from a suspended or banned member, the best advice is to have them contact us at forumadmin@catholic.com to discuss their case. We cannot discuss disciplinary actions with non-affected members.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=78447

grasscutter · #20 Mar 13, '12, 1:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Michael Francis

I will neither confirm or deny what tools we mods have at our disposal.

However, I will say that if someone circumvents a ban...there is no notice.

If they come in with anti-Catholic guns blazing, expressing contempt for our Catholic faith and disrespecting Catholic members ...there is no notice.

If they have a long record of infractions/warnings for any particular rules violations...there is no warning.

It also depends on the nature of the misbehavior. If it's egregious it is up to the mod to decide the response and often that merits the offending poster a suspension (at least) with no more warning.

Members can look on their own page to see their infraction record that only staff and that member can see. If you have a record of a page or so of warnings/infractions then you'd better get on your very best behavior because when we see that (and most of us do check your record when we get a complaint on your post.) the odds are high that you're done here at CAF because it's obvious that you are not taking the rules and guidelines at this link seriously, nor are you taking previous measures to correct you seriously. In that case...you're done without further notice.

Like E.T. said..."Beeeeeee good."

I haz large stockpile of ban grenades.

Where would one on their page find an infraction record? I'm assuming if there are no messages (in the message section, that is), that everything's cool?

Corki · #21 Mar 13, '12, 2:09 pm

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Originally Posted by grasscutter

Where would one on their page find an infraction record? I'm assuming if there are no messages (in the message section, that is), that everything's cool?

If you go to your own profile, you will see a tab labeled "Infractions". The information is there.

grasscutter · #22 Mar 13, '12, 2:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Corki

If you go to your own profile, you will see a tab labeled "Infractions". The information is there.

Thank you!

Quarles47 · #23 Mar 13, '12, 2:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Corki

The email informing you of an infraction may or may not tell you how many points or how long til they expire. If the email does not have this informaiton, you can find it on your profile. Whatever you do, don't email the moderator back and ask.

I agree, especially when it is quite apparent that the moderator is in the wrong. The reply is less then charitable.

**Michael Francis** · #24 Mar 18, '12, 2:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Sam_777

Hey Micheal show some mercy on us.....

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Originally Posted by Sam_777

But you know what...., I think "Forum Elders" (over 15,000 posts and over 5 years of membership) should not be easily banned (even with the points system), moreover, I think those Forum Elders should have some sort of rights after all those years on CAF, like for example a "one time Veto" to unban other members

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No. Forum Elder is just a title based on length of membership and quantity of posts. They are not staff members and are therefore not privy to interactions between mods and any other member and have no say in mod actions except with themselves. We maintain this to protect member's privacy.

Members of long standing should indeed hold themselves to a higher standard and post accordingly. If they fail egregiously in this regard they are dealt with accordingly. No one but the member and the staff know what transpired to get that person's account permanently closed. Frankly, if you guys were made aware of some of it you'd be shocked.

Long membership does not merit special consideration when Forum Rules and guidelines are broken. We have seen some long time members who seemed to think that they were above the rules, but rest assured...that is not the case.

Members are responsible for being aware of the rules (See the link in my signature) and new members are required to sign off on the rules during registration, acknowledging that they read them, so no one has an excuse.

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Originally Posted by pnewton

No one is immune and if anything, we should be more responsible with time. As Treebeard said, "A wizard should know better."

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Originally Posted by Sam_777

I disagree with you here, I think if a person is spending most of his/her time on a religious board is much better than a non-religious one....... So that person should have some sort of reward for that contribution.

Moreover, a person with such record posts and years, he or she should get thorough detailed inspection before banning them just because they got angry once or twice.....

You assume they are not. Bad assumption on your part. You have no information to support your assertion.

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Originally Posted by Dale_M

I agree. When other members see the title "Forum Elder" or "Forum Master" they often expect a more temperate and even-handed perspective in our posts.

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Originally Posted by Dale_M

As for special privileges, I think there are plenty of rewards in the CAF membership system already. If a Forum Elder were to somehow get themselves banned, there is a procedure to have the ban lifted. I suspect a good record of multiple years here would be a factor in being allowed to return.

Possibly, but again, there is much that goes on that the GenPop never sees or hears about. Like I said, if you are a plank owner around here and you post something in violation of the rules, you'll hear from the mod staff about it. Response to that citation is often the key to what follows and we routinely remove offending posts/threads so you guys don't bury us in complaints.

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Originally Posted by Quarles47

I agree, especially when it is quite apparent that the moderator is in the wrong. The reply is less then charitable.

You assert something not in evidence and cannot support that assertion with facts. You infer that we mods take the discipline of members more lightly than we do. We mods do have a sense of humor, (a very active one in fact!) and we look over many factors in dealing with members who mess up.

Under the enforcement section of the Forum Rules members are instructed that they may contact the mod in question by PM with questions about an infraction and even appeal by emailing ForumAdmin@Catholic.com if they feel they have been treated unfairly. I have been appealed enough to know that I have to be able to document good reasons for my actions, and we mods do just that.

Appeal is your right and none of us have any problem with that.