Latin Mass making a comback - Page 2

jennypekny · #16 Jul 7, '04, 9:45 am

My family just changed to a parish that has Latin Mass every Sunday. High mass on 1st and 3rd Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation and Low mass 2nd and 4th. I'm not sure what they do if there is a 5th Sunday. St. Agatha's Parish in St. Louis.

firemnbob · #17 Jul 7, '04, 2:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Catholic Eagle

Yes,Cardinal Maida is my bishop. The sedevacantists and SSPX[they are two different things the SSPX is loyal to the Pope] are growing in Detroit. The sedevacantists have three churches and the SSPX have 2. The CMRI sedevacantists are building a new school and church in Southern Metro Detroit. The Sanborn and Dolan sedevacantists have two churches and a seminary here. The SSPX has two elementary schools,a boy's only high school and two chapels. A once a month Mass will not be nothing for the Million and a half strong diocese of Detroit. That can work for a diocese of less than 100,000 Catholic but not my huge diocese. Actually there are priests for the Traditional Latin Mass. The pastor of Assumption Grotto ,Fr.Perricone, drives seventy miles to Toledo to say the Traditional Latin Mass. There are also many old priests in Detroit. So the priest problem for the Traditional Latin Mass is less of a problem in Detroit.

Could you please tell me what all of the letters stand for. I am finding an interest in this thread, but am struggling following along. Anyone? SSPX, CMRI? and what is the Novus Ordo mass? What is the difference between the Traditionalists and the Traditional Latin Mass? Truly confusing, but you are all smart. Please help

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deogratias · #18 Jul 7, '04, 3:46 pm

"Could you please tell me what all of the letters stand for. I am finding an interest in this thread, but am struggling following along. Anyone? SSPX, CMRI? and what is the Novus Ordo mass? What is the difference between the Traditionalists and the Traditional Latin Mass?"

SSPX stands for Society of Pius X

Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen, also known as CMRI

another term you will come across is FFSP which stand Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri and translates to Fraternal order of St. Peter (these priests are in communion with Rome, the other two are not)

Traditionalist refers to someone who follows the traditional teachings of the Church vs Modernists who do not

Traditional Latin Mass refers to Mass celebrated in accordance with the 1962 Missal

NO is an abbreviation for New Order but refers mostly to the Novos Odo Missal (not really new now, 35 years in place but new compared to the TLM)

Hope that answers your general questions. For more about SSPX in general, just do a search here on the forum as there are many discussions about that

firemnbob · #19 Jul 8, '04, 5:41 am

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Originally Posted by deogratias

"Could you please tell me what all of the letters stand for. I am finding an interest in this thread, but am struggling following along. Anyone? SSPX, CMRI? and what is the Novus Ordo mass? What is the difference between the Traditionalists and the Traditional Latin Mass?"

SSPX stands for Society of Pius X

Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen, also known as CMRI

another term you will come across is FFSP which stand Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri and translates to Fraternal order of St. Peter (these priests are in communion with Rome, the other two are not)

Traditionalist refers to someone who follows the traditional teachings of the Church vs Modernists who do not

Traditional Latin Mass refers to Mass celebrated in accordance with the 1962 Missal

NO is an abbreviation for New Order but refers mostly to the Novos Odo Missal (not really new now, 35 years in place but new compared to the TLM)

Hope that answers your general questions. For more about SSPX in general, just do a search here on the forum as there are many discussions about that

Thank you. It can become really confusing at times.

#20 Jul 8, '04, 12:07 pm

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For more about SSPX in general, just do a search here on the forum as there are many discussions about that

And believe only about half of what you read.

Pandora · #21 Jul 9, '04, 6:51 am

I'm going to my first Latin Mass Sunday. It's the Tridentine Low Mass. I haven't been able to scare up a Chapel veil of my mothers, can I just cover my hair with a shall? Also what kind of dress? I dress nice for Mass every week but do I need to wear only a long skirt? I don't mean mini, too old, but about 2" below knee? I also haven't been able to find a Latin Missal they only had NO in Latin. I'm really looking forward to it. How long does the mass ussaully last?
Thanks for any help.
Kathy

St Veronica · #22 Jul 9, '04, 6:57 am

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Originally Posted by Pandora

I'm going to my first Latin Mass Sunday. It's the Tridentine Low Mass. I haven't been able to scare up a Chapel veil of my mothers, can I just cover my hair with a shall? Also what kind of dress? I dress nice for Mass every week but do I need to wear only a long skirt? I don't mean mini, too old, but about 2" below knee? I also haven't been able to find a Latin Missal they only had NO in Latin. I'm really looking forward to it. How long does the mass ussaully last?
Thanks for any help.
Kathy

Usually they have a box of 'extra' veils outside the chapel. But just in case, go buy a women's hankerchief and you can at least put that on your head.

Yes your skirt probably should come below the knee when you sit down.

Usually the chapels have a missal there, one side in english the other side in Latin so you can follow along.

Low mass generally lasts about 45 min to an hour (in my experience).

SV

#23 Jul 9, '04, 10:49 am

The Low Mass I attended last weekend had no particular dress code. Veils were common, probably more were wearing one than not. But without one, you would not have been out of place.

Marys daughter · #24 Jul 11, '04, 10:40 am

Hey, St. V. Howya doing?

We have 2 churches that celebrate Latin Mass.

One is St. Mary's Oratory which only has Latin Mass. High Noon Mass every day too.

The other is at my Parish!

Thanks,
Stephanie

Joanne_ca · #25 Jul 11, '04, 11:15 am

I went to my first Latin Mass since Vatican ll, and I just loved it. I grew up with this mass and I was wondering why they don't say one once in awhile until I came to Catholic Answers and saw that there were a lot of people missing it too. So I looked up the closest church that performs Latin Mass, and I went this morning. They have two masses on Sunday and daily during the week. Actually, they only say Latin Masses, I got lucky considering all the posts that say they can only attend once a month. It's a bit of a drive, about thirty miles, but I don't care. I was very apprehensive but a lady greeted me at the door and she was very kind, explaining everything as well as providing me with a little scarf for my head. It was so beautiful. The Church is quite small and quaint with lots of statues, candles, and of course the altar. It all came back to me, it was like I went back in time and I realized, this is what it's all about. When the priest, with his back to me, raised the chalice up to the crucifix of our Lord, I had such a feeling of love inside of me that I will never forget. And listen to this folks, there was no talking, laughing, chewing gum or chatter at the back of the church, which I might say has really bothered me lately while attending my own church. Sorry to go on so long but I wanted to share this with you, and I will go back next week. Thank you for your comments that convinced me to do this.

God Bless you all

CD4 · #26 Jul 11, '04, 12:02 pm

The Archdiocese of Cincinnati has two indult Masses....One in downtown Cincinnati, and one in Dayton. There are also two...at least "independednt" Catholic churches (Bishop Dolan for one, and I don't know the other one), and one SSPX church.

I do think people are beginning to turn to these churches, and away from their regular pariishes because they are longing for reverence, awe and a sense of the holy, as well as a sense of respect for the Eucharist....Not to mention good music.

James0235 · #27 Jul 11, '04, 12:17 pm

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Originally Posted by CD4

The Archdiocese of Cincinnati has two indult Masses....One in downtown Cincinnati, and one in Dayton. There are also two...at least "independednt" Catholic churches (Bishop Dolan for one, and I don't know the other one), and one SSPX church.

Fr. Cekada, who is the assistant pastor at Bishop Dolan's independant Catholic church, says mass in a "parish" in Columbus every Sunday morning. There is nothing to distinguish the independant Church from an actual parish of the diocese. And since it is located just south of the OSU campus I would guess (but I don't know for sure since I haven't been there) that there are quite a few college students there who are unfamiliar with the diocese and therefore have no idea that it isn't affiliated w/ the diocese.

James

Catholic Eagle · #28 Jul 11, '04, 12:19 pm

Eventually the Traditional Latin Mass shall once again be back in her place. I pray that every parish celebrates this Mass one day.[ In all its forms,not only Tridentine]

Catholic Eagle · #29 Jul 11, '04, 12:22 pm

Warning:Fr.Cekada and Bishop Dolan are sedevacantists. Do not support them. Also they are not associated with the SSPX.[They were expelled for sedevacantism in 1983]

CD4 · #30 Jul 11, '04, 12:37 pm

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Originally Posted by James0235

Fr. Cekada, who is the assistant pastor at Bishop Dolan's independant Catholic church, says mass in a "parish" in Columbus every Sunday morning. There is nothing to distinguish the independant Church from an actual parish of the diocese. And since it is located just south of the OSU campus I would guess (but I don't know for sure since I haven't been there) that there are quite a few college students there who are unfamiliar with the diocese and therefore have no idea that it isn't affiliated w/ the diocese.

I wouldn't be surprised if what you say is true. The parish here is very Catholic, and anyone looking for a Traditional parish would be delighted with it. I visited with a friend, and have to say that it was wonderful to be in such a place of reverence.....I did not take communion, of course, because I understand that I should not do so.

While SGG is a sedevacantist Catholic Church, I have to admit that it was refreshing to be in a church where reverence and proper dress were expected....I can understand why people are attracted to it.....Especially when our indult Masses are so hard to get to.....Why can't we have indult Masses out here in the 'burbs, where most of us live? The two we have are in urban areas that are hard for many of us to get to.

I suspect that the indult Masses are right where the Archbishop wants them to be....<sigh>

James