Would any parent here ever dream of doing this to their child??? - Page 4

GracedUpon · #46 Mar 29, '12, 5:15 pm

I also wanted to add that I agree with King Lazy that the vegan diet is a greater health concern here. Our bodies are made to thrive on animal products as well as veggies, etc.

I was also just curious, OP, if you have kids of your own? Cause I can assure you that my toddler sticks plenty of gross things into his mouth without any help from me.

grasscutter · #47 Mar 29, '12, 5:19 pm

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Originally Posted by OrdinaryMelkite

OK. I sort of disagree with certain aspects of this but I'm not going to start arguing with you or others here and eventually I could get my thread deleted.

Let's just say I disagree with many of the viewpoints offered here. Just wanted also to get this story out there for eople to comment.

Peace to you.

Peace to you, as well!

Luna Lovecraft · #48 Mar 29, '12, 5:31 pm

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Our society is waaaaaaay overly concerned with bacteria. Sure, there is plenty of bad bacteria out there, but we need to have enough good bacteria in our bodies to to help prevent the bad bacteria from hanging around. There is new research emerging showing just how potentially important our gut flora can be to our overall health--not just our gut health, but things like diabetes and even mental health are linked to gut bacteria. Perhaps this thought will gross you out more than the video: your body has 10 times as many bacterial cells as all your human tissue cells combined.

BTW, after pushing a baby out my vagina, I don't worry too much about him getting bacteria from my mouth.

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except moral relativism has to do with morals. pre-chewing a kid's food isnt a moral issue. there's no revelation from God. no divine teaching of the church. no objective reality. no natural law issues in mommy-pre-chewed food.

i'm also not the least bit swayed by the doctors who decry the practice. you should see the stuff i've done as a normal part of mothering that doctors have decried. like breastfeeding in 1980 waaaaaay before any AAP or WHO statements supporting breastfeeding. like co-sleeping with every single one of my kids till they were toddlers. like not having filled any antibiotic prescription for any of my kids in more than 16 years (though we don't get any scrips like that anymore. we go to a DO homeopath.) like drinking raw organic goat milk. lots of stuff that doctors decry and that would probably gross you out pretty bad. but stuff that is integral to how i mother my kids.

in charity, folks who disagree with my nutritional/ logistical/ operational parenting choices should say, "wow. she's sort of a kook." and leave it at that. even if some of my kookiness ends up on you-tube.

Thank you both.

pentecostbaby · #49 Mar 29, '12, 5:37 pm

I chew my kids' food all the time when they are learning to eat solids. We do baby-led weaning, and a lot of the time, baby wants what baby is too small to chew (i.e. steak). So I chew some up for them. I did it with baby #1, and I'll do it with baby #2. I didn't pass it directly from mouth-to-mouth - I used my fingers - but yeah. No baby food here. A little spit never killed anyone healthy.

I agree with Luna, too - a lot of those 'uncivilized' cultures have a lot we can learn from them, like the way they value children and families.

And yes, people call me a kook too - both the crazy liberal pagan AP parents and the super-conservative Catholic parents

. But I'm loyal to the Magisterium all the way - and last time I checked, Papa Bene hadn't ruled on this particular issue!

kristacecilia · #50 Mar 29, '12, 5:40 pm

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Originally Posted by GracedUpon

Our society is waaaaaaay overly concerned with bacteria. Sure, there is plenty of bad bacteria out there, but we need to have enough good bacteria in our bodies to to help prevent the bad bacteria from hanging around. There is new research emerging showing just how potentially important our gut flora can be to our overall health--not just our gut health, but things like diabetes and even mental health are linked to gut bacteria. Perhaps this thought will gross you out more than the video: your body has 10 times as many bacterial cells as all your human tissue cells combined.

BTW, after pushing a baby out my vagina, I don't worry too much about him getting bacteria from my mouth.

Yes, yes, yes. To Monica, too.

IMO, our kids could do with a little MORE bacteria. MORE dirt. MORE (minor) injuries. Let them get out and have fun and be KIDS!

This does not gross me out in the least. Not my cup of tea, personally, but I let my kids eat out of my bowl, off my spoon, share my cup, share my apple, etc. I kiss my toddler on the lips. How is it really that different in terms of germs?

As for being "civilized" .... we (as a culture/society) have aborted millions of babies, we think homosexual marriage is to be accepted... nay, promoted. We are hugely immoral. I think there are a lot more civilized societies than ours.

ZoeyBdo · #51 Mar 29, '12, 5:40 pm

Hmmm... nothing gross here. Rather beautiful actually.

I saw a woman breastfeeding her child at church on Sunday too... of course she had this cool wrap thing that covered her and the baby, I just thought it was nice to see a woman not afraid to be a woman and mother in public.

Germs and bacteria are everywhere. Get over it.

I played in the mud as a child. I ate worms, grass, leaves, squashed bugs (sorry bugs!), stepped on bees, ran barefoot int he grass, walked barefoot through a major city, drank after people, ate after people, shared straws, licked scrapes, etc etc etc...

GERMS ARE GOOD, exposure helps children build up antibodies and build immunity.

If we keep Purelling everything we're going to have to start living in a bubble.

Now let's talk about those people who share "kisses" with their dogs... that's ewww.

OrdinaryMelkite · #52 Mar 29, '12, 5:48 pm

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Originally Posted by GracedUpon

I also wanted to add that I agree with King Lazy that the vegan diet is a greater health concern here. Our bodies are made to thrive on animal products as well as veggies, etc.

I was also just curious, OP, if you have kids of your own? Cause I can assure you that my toddler sticks plenty of gross things into his mouth without any help from me.

True-------but do you yourself help the child along by doing gross things yourself?

And no, i don't have children. hope to one day, though.

Anyway------like I told Surfin'---------I still disagree with some of the views here. but I'm not going to get into a possible shouting match with folks here, even if I totally do not mean to-----I just KNOW it will end up like that. I know when I'm disagreed with far more than agreed with.

I totally agree with you about the vegan angle. We are naturally omnivorous-------I'm surprised most folks don't know that.

Your comment is duly noted.

Indeed.

monicatholic · #53 Mar 29, '12, 6:14 pm

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I still disagree with some of the views

disagreeing with the various views is fine. from one of my favorite movies, harvey, "an element of controversy is a good thing. shows everyone is participating."

but here's the problem: asserting abuse, immorality, insisting the Church would frown upon a particular thing...?

all of this presupposes OBJECTIVE TRUTH. or natural law. or something else that far transcends mere viewpoints.

that you dont like this is fine. that you think it's very gross is also a plausible viewpoint. but that you find it morally deficient, or worse, morally despicable...? it's an untenable position. no Church law, no Catholic sensibility nor does even any general Catholic aesthetic supports that position.

there's already been plenty posted to oppse the Dr. Germophobe assertions. so i wont bother. just to add this: if mommy's germs arent making her sick, they'll probably not make baby sick, either.

happymommy · #54 Mar 29, '12, 6:40 pm

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I agree. Basically "much ado about nothing". And, does anyone remember our mothers spitting on a hankerchief to wipe our faces?

Who needs a hankerchief? Just lick your thumb and rub off whatever is stuck to them! Mama spit is all cleaning

happymommy · #55 Mar 29, '12, 6:45 pm

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Originally Posted by monicatholic

disagreeing with the various views is fine. from one of my favorite movies, harvey, "an element of controversy is a good thing. shows everyone is participating."

but here's the problem: asserting abuse, immorality, insisting the Church would frown upon a particular thing...?

all of this presupposes OBJECTIVE TRUTH. or natural law. or something else that far transcends mere viewpoints.

that you dont like this is fine. that you think it's very gross is also a plausible viewpoint. but that you find it morally deficient, or worse, morally despicable...? it's an untenable position. no Church law, no Catholic sensibility nor does even any general Catholic aesthetic supports that position.

there's already been plenty posted to oppse the Dr. Germophobe assertions. so i wont bother. just to add this: if mommy's germs arent making her sick, they'll probably not make baby sick, either.

I guess the people being so grossed out by this have never shared a drink with their kids or given them a bite of their sandwich. You can spread germs that way too.

grasscutter · #56 Mar 29, '12, 6:50 pm

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Who needs a hankerchief? Just lick your thumb and rub off whatever is stuck to them! Mama spit is all cleaning

Okay, now I have to say... It was my Mom who used the handerchief... I just used to lick my thumb for quick clean-up... but I always said I wouldn't! And I did...!

Luckily, strangers didn't go on TV speculating as to whether or nor I had conditions such as herpes...

aloe · #57 Mar 29, '12, 6:54 pm

Wouldn't do it, haven't seen others do it, but I don't care if she does that with her own baby. I bet she is a great and caring mom and I am glad she actually raising and spending time with the child instead of mostly a nanny.

mini_me640 · #58 Mar 30, '12, 6:46 pm

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Originally Posted by OrdinaryMelkite

Just my two cents. Would the Cc approve of this?
That's a good question. Personally, I feel confident in saying they would not. And as well, needless;y exposing your child to potential life-threatening illness, all in the name of "trendiness," just does not do it for me.

And did you actually read the doctors's opinions? Overwhelmingly they think this is a bad idea. And dangerous. Called "common sense"----even without a doctors's opinion.

Also----doesn't it bother anybody why she would bother ti put this out there on the internet? Why would she unless she wanted to somehow promote her beliefs, or just FORCE them down the throats of people?
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Obviously you are entitled to think this is gross, and it is definitely not my cup of tea, but the idea that the Church might not approve due to possible exposure to life threatening illness seems off base. Mainly because mothers and children tend to swap saliva on a regular basis already - my kids drink after me, eat off my fork, finish my sandwich, etc. I doubt premastication would expose a child to anything they aren't already getting from mom. She is probably putting this on the Internet to promote her beliefs, but I don't see how that equated to forcing them on others.

TheRealJuliane · #59 Mar 30, '12, 7:06 pm

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Originally Posted by aloe

Wouldn't do it, haven't seen others do it, but I don't care if she does that with her own baby. I bet she is a great and caring mom and I am glad she actually raising and spending time with the child instead of mostly a nanny.

This is OT, but your signature ticker is in the wrong format - it's been bugging me for a while now, can you fix it?

Moore11 · #60 Mar 31, '12, 10:16 am

There isn't a parent in the world who hasn't tasted the food to see if it was too hot, then fed the baby, or bitten off a tiny piece of food and then given it to the baby, or shared food with a baby, or kissed a baby, or sucked off a pacifier that had been on the ground, or ever seen a baby touch something and then put it in their mouth, or any number of things. All of my children have taken their diapers off and smeared it on the walls and themselves at one point. If your beef is with the germs then you don't really know children