Our Next President - Page 2

_Abyssinia · #16 Apr 1, '12, 1:05 am

Romney - he can beat Barack Obama.

_Abyssinia · #17 Apr 1, '12, 1:07 am

I do not think I ever seen a poll on here that tells you which members voted for who... till now

_Abyssinia · #18 Apr 1, '12, 1:31 am

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Originally Posted by dcingoranelli

It is surprising to me, given what Obama and his administration have been up to, that nearly a third of respondents cast their straw vote for him in this poll.

Because some so called Catholics do not give real consideration to what the Church teaches on the principals of voting. Whether they realize it or not, a vote for Barack Obama at the ballot box means they have constituted remote material cooperation or material cooperation with evil, depending on the voter's reasons for voting.

GetReligion classifies the 'Catholic Vote' as this:

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Ex-Catholics. Solid for the Democrats. GOP has no chance.

Cultural Catholics who may go to church a few times a year. This may be an undecided voter — check out that classic Atlantic Monthly tribes of American religion piece — depending on what is happening with the economy, foreign policy, etc. Leans to Democrats.

Sunday-morning American Catholics. This voter is a regular in the pew and may even play some leadership role in the parish. This is the Catholic voter that is really up for grabs, the true swing voter that the candidates are after.

The “sweats the details” Roman Catholic who goes to confession. Is active in the full sacramental life of the parish and almost always backs the Vatican, when it comes to matters of faith and practice. This is where the GOP has made its big gains in recent decades, but it is a very small slice of the American Catholic pie.

http://www.getreligion.org/2008/10/c...atholic-voters

Simply, you have properly catechized Catholics - they won't vote for pro abortion, religious liberty impinging candidates. As the article says, the data shows the link between weekly mass attendance and not voting for a political party which opposes important Catholic teaching.

**GEddie** · #19 Apr 1, '12, 2:45 am

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Originally Posted by Bocephus

Unfortunately, I'm stuck with what others deserver.

That is the nature of majority representation.

**GEddie** · #20 Apr 1, '12, 2:52 am

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Originally Posted by ishii

As to experience relevant to the situation: Santorum is a career politican. Romney has experience in the private sector - turning around the Olympics and other businesses. He has real-world experience as opposed to Santorum's debate experience.

Ishii

Every cycle, someone will bring up a candidate's business experience as being somehow "better" than "political" experience as qualification for high office.

That does not really make sense, IMNAAHO, because the US of A is not a business. Not only is it not intended to make a profit; citizens are not employees.

The POTUS is and will always be a politician. Nothing can change that.

ICXC NIKA

Seamus L · #21 Apr 1, '12, 5:35 am

Since there's no way Ron Paul can win, I'd like to see Barack Obama re-elected. Don't get me wrong, I believe Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, but he'll do the best job of galvanizing opposition to this corrupt government. Someone like Romney getting elected just means that people will be instilled with all kinds of false hope, as we slowly cook to death like the proverbial frog in the pot of water on the stove.

ringil · #22 Apr 1, '12, 6:45 am

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Originally Posted by Seamus L

Since there's no way Ron Paul can win, I'd like to see Barack Obama re-elected. Don't get me wrong, I believe Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, but he'll do the best job of galvanizing opposition to this corrupt government. Someone like Romney getting elected just means that people will be instilled with all kinds of false hope, as we slowly cook to death like the proverbial frog in the pot of water on the stove.

That's an interesting reasoning process there. I can't think there are very many "I can't get Paul so I'll go with Obama" voters.

I would guess that the vast majority of Paul voters would grudgingly go for Romney or simply not vote. My MIL is for Paul but she is going to sit this one out.

exoflare · #23 Apr 1, '12, 7:01 am

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Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

I do not think I ever seen a poll on here that tells you which members voted for who... till now

I've seen public polls used here before, but yeah it seems pretty rare for some reason.

exoflare · #24 Apr 1, '12, 7:12 am

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Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

Cultural Catholics who may go to church a few times a year. This may be an undecided voter — check out that classic Atlantic Monthly tribes of American religion piece — depending on what is happening with the economy, foreign policy, etc. Leans to Democrats.

Sunday-morning American Catholics. This voter is a regular in the pew and may even play some leadership role in the parish. This is the Catholic voter that is really up for grabs, the true swing voter that the candidates are after.

It's kind of a pointless distinction, though, since the ones voting for Obama are already Cultural Catholics by virtue of that very fact. It's not as if going to mass every Sunday would negate their cooperation with grave evil.

Digitonomy · #25 Apr 1, '12, 7:56 am

I don't understand why Ron Paul was not included on the list.

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Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

I do not think I ever seen a poll on here that tells you which members voted for who... till now

That's one of the options in creating a poll when you open a thread. It does have a tendency to decrease participation, especially among those who don't feel their answers would be politically correct in the audience reading and posting on that thread. As a result, it makes the poll results even more unreliable than typical internet polls.

Timothysis · #26 Apr 1, '12, 8:10 am

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Originally Posted by GEddie

That does not really make sense, IMNAAHO, because the US of A is not a business. Not only is it not intended to make a profit; citizens are not employees.

Since the government is the biggest employer in the country now, I think your statement may be false.

**Robert Bay** · #27 Apr 1, '12, 8:29 am

This survey of members is OK and I will let it stand

**GEddie** · #28 Apr 1, '12, 8:32 am

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Originally Posted by Timothysis

Since the government is the biggest employer in the country now, I think your statement may be false.

It still does not make a profit, and the POTUS' citizens are not his employees.

k5thbeatle · #29 Apr 1, '12, 8:47 am

I don't see how anyone who even remotely claims to be catholic could have voted or will vote for Obama given his clearly laid out agendas?

I want Santorum but I think Romney will win out. That being the case I will vote for anyone up against Obama.

_Abyssinia · #30 Apr 1, '12, 8:52 am

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Originally Posted by Digitonomy

I don't understand why Ron Paul was not included on the list.That's one of the options in creating a poll when you open a thread. It does have a tendency to decrease participation, especially among those who don't feel their answers would be politically correct in the audience reading and posting on that thread. As a result, it makes the poll results even more unreliable than typical internet polls.

Probably was just a mistake not to include Ron Paul.

I think I created a poll before, I don't think I ever say the option to show members names.