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Old Jul 27, '05, 10:30 am
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I have gotten some mixed reactions from friends at church when they find out that hubby and i are into ghost hunting as a hobby. The priest and deacons think its neat, Father even asked to see some of our photos. some of my friends though think it falls into the same category as fortune telling and what not, my hubby and i think of it as harmless fun, we only go on ghost hunts a couple of times a year if that. we have got some great photos, some EVP, and have had some strange experiances. we like the shows like "Most Haunted" and "Ghost Hunters" we are Catholic through and through, its just something that interests us both. I was just wondering what the opinions of others was on this subject. do you believe in ghosts?

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Do I believe in ghosts? Absolutely. While I haven't gone on any ghost hunts, I have had my own experiences with them over the years.

I also captured my first ghost on film as an orb when I was at Fort Sumpter last January. Didn't even notice it until I printed the photo!
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Old Jul 27, '05, 11:16 am
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No, I don't believe in ghosts. Belief in ghosts is a form of superstition and is contrary to Christianity in general and Catholicism specifically.
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Old Jul 27, '05, 11:39 am
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I do.

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Belief in ghosts is a form of superstition and is contrary to Christianity in general and Catholicism specifically.
I don't see that belief in ghosts is superstitious. In my understanding superstitions require belief that something we do on earth will make God do something for you (like if you bury a St. Joseph statue upside down, you will sell your house faster).
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I don't see that belief in ghosts is superstitious. In my understanding superstitions require belief that something we do on earth will make God do something for you (like if you bury a St. Joseph statue upside down, you will sell your house faster).
No, but the belief that ghosts are somehow the trapped souls of the departed insinuates that God does not have control of our souls at the moment of our death, and that leads to ideas that he may not be all knowing, all mighty and all present.

If one believes that ghosts are NOT trapped souls, then what could they be? The only good answer I can think of is evil spirits and to knowingly seek out evil spirits seems like a recipe for disaster.

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Hello

I keep an open mind on this subject, it does mention in the bible, when Jesus appeared in a boat? I am not a ghost something like that.

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Old Jul 27, '05, 12:12 pm
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Pray for the dead, the Holy Souls in Purgatory. Hunting "ghosts" may be digusting the Lord:

Do not let your people practice fortune-telling or sorcery, or allow them to interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. Anyone who does these things is an object of horror and disgust to the LORD," (Deuteronomy 18:10-12 NLT)

Our mandate is to battle the unseen spirits, not hunt them down, take thier pictures, and record their voices:

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

"Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints...."


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Old Jul 27, '05, 12:13 pm
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I've heard of some folks coming back briefly particularly shortly after death or just before someone else passes. These came from very reliable folks, not prone to lying or imagining things.

I think God allows some folks the priviledge to be greeted by friends or loved ones before their deaths. I consider these things as apparitions and not ghosts in the classic sense of a haunting or lingering presence. The latter I think are more like demonic possession or demonic presence.

When you think about it, it makes sense that God would send a loved one, best friend, spouse, or relative to greet you. Death can be pretty scary, just the thought of dying is tramatic for some folks. Having you mom or dad greet you is the best possible solution to allay fears of passing on.

Of course having your spouse come back for you may or may NOT be the best thing to happen....in my case it would be great (that would mean I would have outlived her ),

but for some folks it could be more tramatic than dying ....
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Yeah I believe in Ghost.
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Old Jul 27, '05, 12:39 pm
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No, but the belief that ghosts are somehow the trapped souls of the departed insinuates that God does not have control of our souls at the moment of our death, and that leads to ideas that he may not be all knowing, all mighty and all present.

If one believes that ghosts are NOT trapped souls, then what could they be? The only good answer I can think of is evil spirits and to knowingly seek out evil spirits seems like a recipe for disaster.

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This is a great answer coupled with La Chiara's.

It may seem like harmless fun to you but you are dabbling where you should not be.

But souls go to heaven, hell or purgatory and do not roam about the earth.

Funny that your priest should approve. A neighboring parish priest of mine also said it was good harmless fun to seek out a psychic. They are only human too and may be equally deceived into believing this is all fun and games.
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Ghosts? No

Demons? Yes - and I certainly wouldn't hunt for them.

I don't believe that the idea that there are souls roaming the earth who have "unfinished business" or whatnot is compatible with Catholic church teaching. I believe Satan uses whatever means necessary to draw us away from God and I also believe there are plenty of less than honest people out there making money off this fascination.
I would think there would much better hobbies you and your husband could share.
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If one believes that ghosts are NOT trapped souls, then what could they be? The only good answer I can think of is evil spirits and to knowingly seek out evil spirits seems like a recipe for disaster.

What is a Marian apparition?

They don't have to be trapped souls. They can be souls in purgatory. I recall one story about a ghost in a monastary of a brother who frequently failed to wash the altar linens. His ghost was seen several times washing linens. Pugatory?

And of course, they could be the evil spirits too. Which is why I wonder about hunting 'em.
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Pray for the dead, the Holy Souls in Purgatory. Hunting "ghosts" may be digusting the Lord:

Do not let your people practice fortune-telling or sorcery, or allow them to interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. Anyone who does these things is an object of horror and disgust to the LORD," (Deuteronomy 18:10-12 NLT)

Our mandate is to battle the unseen spirits, not hunt them down, take thier pictures, and record their voices:

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

"Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.

"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints...."


Ephesians 6:10-18


I dont call them forth, i go with a rosary in pocket, having said a prayer to Saint Michael and blessed myself and hubby with Holy Water. I go to places people believe to be haunted and take pictures, i dont attempt to talk to them, i just like the stories and i like to take pics and EVP and see what i come out with. I think the church may have some belief in ghosts, for example they do exorcism to detour demons, but also to get rid of hauntings, i know this because my aunt had a ghost in her house, nothing evil just kinda creepy and the priest came out and blessed her home. I dont think that God has lost control of them, maybe they are the souls in purgatory, or maybe they are just trying to reach someone. either way i dont think it makes me a bad person or a bad Catholic to find fascination in such things, my priest says its natural to be curious about such things, because it ties into death. i asked him if it was wrong of me to go and he told me as long as i went with Jesus, as long as i went with my Faith in mind then there wasnt a problem. thats what i did, i do not mess with Ouija boards, or Tarot cards or anything like that, i think there are people in this world who are hypersensitive and maybe see things others dont all though im not entirely sure of my beliefs on that subject either. its just a curiosity and a hobby i find interesting. i dont believe in superstitions.
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I found this online. I do remember in reading the lives of the saints that saints in heaven on occasion did "visit" them with a particular message. I guess I never really thought of them as "ghosts" in the traditional sense since these are souls already in heaven. Not spirits wandering the earth because they murdered or wronged or some other such reason.

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What is the Church's teaching concerning ghosts, hauntings and the like?

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Dear Joshua,

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The Church believes that ghosts, or spirits, do exist. There are times when spirits appear to our benefit, but we are warned against attempting to contact spirits.

“Ghost” is simply another word for “spirit” (geist means “spirit” in German). Spirit is of three kinds: the human spirit which combined with body make up a human being; the defined spirit that has no body, such as angels; and the infinite Spirit, or God, of Whom the Third Person is the Holy Ghost. When someone asks whether ghosts exist, he usually has in mind the first kind, a human spirit. Hence Fr. John Hardon defines “ghost” as “...a disembodied spirit. Christianity believes that God may, and sometimes does, permit a departed soul to appear in some visible form to people on earth. Allowing for legend and illusion, there is enough authentic evidence, for example in the lives of the saints, to indicate that such apparitions occur. Their purpose may be to teach or warn, or request some favor of the living” (Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J., Modern Catholic Dictionary, Garden City, New York: 1980. Published by Doubleday and Co., p. 229).

The last sentence of Fr. Hardon’s definition implicitly gives the Church’s teaching on ghosts. Appearances of ghosts are understood with regard to our salvation. Ghosts can come to us for good, but we must not attempt to conjure or control spirits. The Church teaches that “spiritism,” seeking recourse or power from ghosts, is contrary to the virtue of religion (i.e., the Commandment “You shall have no other gods before Me”):

“All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others — even if this were for the sake of restoring their health — are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 2117).

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Thus, while the Church recognizes the existence of ghosts, we are not to intentionally seek them out — for good or for ill.

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Rayne89 - darn good bit of legwork there! NICE!
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