Church teaching on Islam - Page 17

rinnie · #**241** May 7, '12, 8:21 am

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Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian

Well then the Jews are definitely worshipping some other God also by this logic as Judaism does not recognise Christ as at best any more than a rabbi who represented a particular ongoing ideological conflict within Judaism which was pertinent to his era.

Which would also throw out tons of Protestants also by this line of thinking because they also reject Christ.

Now although they accept him as the Son, they reject him as the Eucharist. So we cannot have a double standard here.

The bible says you either reject him or accept him right? How can we accept Christ as our Savior but reject the Eucharist which is the bread that gives eternal life.

Nope beings that the Protestants reject Christ, which many do in the Eucharist they cannot have the true God either.

Not that I accept any of this, but this is what Jam and others are saying. And in order to prove their point have to accept this false teaching also.

rinnie · #**242** May 7, '12, 8:21 am

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So rejecting Jesus is rejecting that One God, correct?

What do you mean by THAT ONE God. There is only One God, Not THAT one God?

jam070406 · #**243** May 7, '12, 8:26 am

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Originally Posted by rinnie

Which would also throw out tons of Protestants also by this line of thinking because they also reject Christ.

Now although they accept him as the Son, they reject him as the Eucharist. So we cannot have a double standard here.

The bible says you either reject him or accept him right? How can we accept Christ as our Savior but reject the Eucharist which is the bread that gives eternal life.

Nope beings that the Protestants reject Christ, which many do in the Eucharist they cannot have the true God either.

Not that I accept any of this, but this is what Jam and others are saying. And in order to prove their point have to accept this false teaching also.

There is no double standard. Jesus said unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. And he said not all that say Lord, Lord will enter. I never knew you.

rinnie · #**244** May 7, '12, 8:28 am

There is only ONE GOD, THere is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. You cannot separate ONE GOD.

God chooses to reveal himself in the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit. They are all FULLY God.

Becausethey do not have the fullness of the faith in the teaching of the Trinity does not make God the Father the creator of heaven and earth false.

jam070406 · #**245** May 7, '12, 8:28 am

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What do you mean by THAT ONE God. There is only One God, Not THAT one God?

The God of the Christians. The Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. How can you reject one and not reject all? Please explain.

rinnie · #**246** May 7, '12, 8:29 am

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There is no double standard. Jesus said unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. And he said not all that say Lord, Lord will enter. I never knew you.

What about protestants who reject the Eucharst. Is their God the God of the Trinity false? The same God of the Trinity that is taught by the RCC?

jam070406 · #**247** May 7, '12, 8:31 am

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Originally Posted by rinnie

There is only ONE GOD, THere is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. You cannot separate ONE GOD.

God chooses to reveal himself in the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit. They are all FULLY God.

Becausethey do not have the fullness of the faith in the teaching of the Trinity does not make God the Father the creator of heaven and earth false.

Actually, their book states the position of the Christians and then rejects it. They reject the claim of Christians and reject Truth, which they are obligated to search for. Search and it will be given, knock and the door will be opened.

jam070406 · #**248** May 7, '12, 8:33 am

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Originally Posted by rinnie

What about protestants who reject the Eucharst. Is their God the God of the Trinity false? The same God of the Trinity that is taught by the RCC?

No. As Augustine says if you don't properly follow the (Christian) Scriptures you follow yourself. (Paraphrase)

rinnie · #**249** May 7, '12, 8:34 am

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The God of the Christians. The Trinity. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. How can you reject one and not reject all? Please explain.

Hold on there. There is no such thing. There is not a God for Christians, and a God for Jews and a God for Muslims. The Church teaches we all agree that there is only ONE GOD the Creator of heaven and earth.

Where are you getting reject one and not reject all? There are not plural gods. There is only ONE GOD.

rinnie · #**250** May 7, '12, 8:37 am

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Originally Posted by jam070406

No. As Augustine says if you don't properly follow the (Christian) Scriptures you follow yourself. (Paraphrase)

I think you are trying to make St Augustine say something he is not.

Where does he say that Christians who are not Catholic and do not accept the fullness of the truth revealed to them by the Church but accept the Trinity have a false god? You gotta show me that.

jam070406 · #**251** May 7, '12, 8:39 am

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Hold on there. There is no such thing. There is not a God for Christians, and a God for Jews and a God for Muslims. The Church teaches we all agree that there is only ONE GOD the Creator of heaven and earth.

Where are you getting reject one and not reject all? There are not plural gods. There is only ONE GOD.

I was referring to the persons of Trinity, but I think you knew that.

Yes, there is One God in 3 persons, the Trinity ...that Jews and Muslims reject.
You're really floundering now.

rinnie · #**252** May 7, '12, 8:39 am

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"The Jews were arguing among themselves, "How can this man give us flesh to eat? So Jesus replied "Truly, I say to you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood, you have no life in you. The one who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood lives eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:52-54).

"After this many disciples withdrew and no longer followed Him." (John 6:66)
(Jesus let them go!) Protestants do not believe in the True Presence and walked away from the true Church of Christ.

Oh I know the scripture quite well. But are you also saying protestants who do not accept the Eucharist as the living bread from heaven pray to a false god??

jam070406 · #**253** May 7, '12, 8:41 am

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Originally Posted by rinnie

I think you are trying to make St Augustine say something he is not.

Where does he say that Christians who are not Catholic and do not accept the fullness of the truth revealed to them by the Church but accept the Trinity have a false god? You gotta show me that.

That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. His point is that they follow their own selfish desires.

jam070406 · #**254** May 7, '12, 8:43 am

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Oh I know the scripture quite well. But are you also saying protestants who do not accept the Eucharist as the living bread from heaven pray to a false god??

Nobody has said that but you. It's your strawman argument that you keep propping up to equate Muslims and Protestants.

**JharekCarnelian** · #**255** May 7, '12, 8:45 am

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Originally Posted by jam070406

No. As Augustine says if you don't properly follow the (Christian) Scriptures you follow yourself. (Paraphrase)

So now even fellow Christians do not worship the same God as us you are concluding? Most certainly if you are concluding this you are now setting yourself up as private magisterium of one which is a most Protestant thing to do.