Church teaching on Islam - Page 24

jam070406 · #**346** May 7, '12, 5:12 pm

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Originally Posted by catharina

I will not be addressing your concerns
since they are based in your opinion only,
and these opinions stand opposed to the
teachings of the Catholic Church.

So you're just gonna throw that out there and not prove it eh?

jam070406 · #**347** May 7, '12, 5:13 pm

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Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian

That is again a strawman of your own creation.

Then it should be easy for you to answer.

**JharekCarnelian** · #**348** May 7, '12, 5:15 pm

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Originally Posted by jam070406

So you're just gonna throw that out there and not prove it eh?

Danger Will Robinson irony overload ahead.

jam070406 · #**349** May 7, '12, 5:23 pm

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Originally Posted by jam070406

Then it should be easy for you to answer.

**catharina** · #**350** May 7, '12, 5:28 pm

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Originally Posted by jam070406

So you're just gonna throw that out there and not prove it eh?

Heavens NO. I'm going to stand with
Jharek and armyvet and allow you
to spin your fantasy without my
interference.

So simple.

As armyvet said: 'no point in challenging' your view.
You've made it clear that you don't want the truth.

So that's that!

jam070406 · #**351** May 7, '12, 5:37 pm

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Originally Posted by catharina

Heavens NO. I'm going to stand with
Jharek and armyvet and allow you
to spin your fantasy without my
interference.

So simple.

As armyvet said: 'no point in challenging' your view.
You've made it clear that you don't want the truth.

So that's that!

No I do!
Can you answer what the Faith of Abraham is or whether the words in the Koran attributed to God are the word of the one true God? They couldn't. Like them, you just seem to want to insult me and not answer.

**catharina** · #**352** May 7, '12, 5:46 pm

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Originally Posted by jam070406

No I do!
Can you answer what the Faith of Abraham is or whether the words in the Koran attributed to God are the word of the one true God? They couldn't. Like them, you just seem to want to insult me and not answer.

This is not an insult.
This is pointing out a FACT.

Why you would chose to prolong an intellectual argument
(that has LONG been settled by the Catholic Church) is
beyond my imagination. Plus, it holds no interest for me.

Only God is God.
Islam, worshiping ONE GOD is the worship of one God.
Sorry if you feel that someone must PROVE this to you.

Good luck with that.

rinnie · #**353** May 7, '12, 5:48 pm

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Originally Posted by BenedictFTW

He never prayed with them. He was there while they prayed to their Allah. A very different thing. Please be careful what you are saying about our saintly Pope.

I am telling you the truth.

The Pope prayed to God in a perfect way through the Trinity.

Just because Muslims pray to God in an un-perfect way does not mean they pray to a false god.

We have the fullness of the truth through the Church because of Jesus Christ. We are all taught to bring all to Salvation through the Church.

But to say that Muslims pray to a false God is untrue. It is not the God that they pray to that is in-perfect, It is the way they pray that is in-perfect. They do not have the revelation of God through the Trinity as we do.

We are taught the PERFECT way to pray, That is through the Father Son and Holy Spirit. ONE GOD in the 3 persons.

But to say they pray to a different God is false. And it is untrue and unfair to say that the Church does not teach the truth. It does.

It states together with us they pray to the One true God. It never states that they pray in the perfect way, Simply because the perfect way is the way Jesus taught us which is through the Trinity.

But we are also taught that although they may pray in-perfect through no fault of their own they can still obtain Salvation in ways that are only known to God.

Again it is wrong to say the Church does not know what is taught, or to say the Pope went overboard in his teachings. He has the power of the Holy Spirit to teach and preach in the name of Christ. And he did.

He gave us the teaching. We can reject or accept them. He has the keys to the kingdom and I believe every word he teaches.

rinnie · #**354** May 7, '12, 5:51 pm

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Originally Posted by jam070406

No I do!
Can you answer what the Faith of Abraham is or whether the words in the Koran attributed to God are the word of the one true God? They couldn't. Like them, you just seem to want to insult me and not answer.

I explained this to you days ago. You refuse to accept what the Church teaches.

**catharina** · #**355** May 7, '12, 5:52 pm

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Originally Posted by rinnie

I am telling you the truth.

The Pope prayed to God in a perfect way through the Trinity.

Just because Muslims pray to God in an un-perfect way does not mean they pray to a false god.

We have the fullness of the truth through the Church because of Jesus Christ. We are all taught to bring all to Salvation through the Church.

But to say that Muslims pray to a false God is untrue. It is not the God that they pray to that is in-perfect, It is the way they pray that is in-perfect. They do not have the revelation of God through the Trinity as we do.

We are taught the PERFECT way to pray, That is through the Father Son and Holy Spirit. ONE GOD in the 3 persons.

But to say they pray to a different God is false. And it is untrue and unfair to say that the Church does not teach the truth. It does.

It states together with us they pray to the One true God. It never states that they pray in the perfect way, Simply because the perfect way is the way Jesus taught us which is through the Trinity.

But we are also taught that although they may pray in-perfect through no fault of their own they can still obtain Salvation in ways that are only known to God.

Again it is wrong to say the Church does not know what is taught, or to say the Pope went overboard in his teachings. He has the power of the Holy Spirit to teach and preach in the name of Christ. And he did.

He gave us the teaching. We can reject or accept them. He has the keys to the kingdom and I believe every word he teaches.

Thank you

and

GOD bless you!

jam070406 · #**356** May 7, '12, 5:54 pm

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Originally Posted by catharina

This is not an insult.
This is pointing out a FACT.

Why you would chose to prolong an intellectual argument
(that has LONG been settled by the Catholic Church) is
beyond my imagination. Plus, it holds no interest for me.

Only God is God.
Islam, worshiping ONE GOD is the worship of one God.
Sorry if you feel that someone must PROVE this to you.

Good luck with that.

You can't answer. I understand, neither could the others. If you follow it to it's logical conclusion it doesn't make sense. You are afraid that you will be in opposition to the Church. The exact fear and guilt you try to project on me. Of course, you will be unable to find an infallible teaching that states I am anathema for not believing Catholics and Muslims worship the same one true God.
But hey...
Good luck yourself!

jam070406 · #**357** May 7, '12, 5:55 pm

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Originally Posted by rinnie

I explained this to you days ago. You refuse to accept what the Church teaches.

You gave your opinion. Which didn't follow and was in contradiction with Scripture, as others pointed out.

**catharina** · #**358** May 7, '12, 6:02 pm

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Originally Posted by jam070406

You can't answer. I understand, neither could the others. If you follow it to it's logical conclusion it doesn't make sense. You are afraid that you will be in opposition to the Church. The exact fear and guilt you try to project on me. Of course, you will be unable to find an infallible teaching that states I am anathema for not believing Catholics and Muslims worship the same one true God.
But hey...
Good luck yourself!

You are quite the accuser.
Guess that suits you.

Nevertheless, we are to believe all that
the Catholic Church teaches - and I do.

So I am without fear about that. If you do not fear
to find yourself at odds with the teachings
of the Church, to find yourself Preaching Against
the teachings of the Church, then I fear for you.

PS - I'll surely pray for you.

**JharekCarnelian** · #**359** May 7, '12, 6:04 pm

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Originally Posted by jam070406

You gave your opinion. Which didn't follow and was in contradiction with Scripture, as others pointed out.

Presumably then if we follow this chain of logic by your reasoning the present Pope and his predecessor must be both contradicting scripture when they have repeatedly pointed out that Muslims and Christians worship the one true God. Let us not dance about with semantics again about 'one God' been different from that. There is either one God all monotheists are worshiping or there is not and everyone except Catholics is worshipping either one other deity or a collection of different deities.

**catharina** · #**360** May 7, '12, 6:06 pm

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Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian

Presumably then if we follow this chain of logic by your reasoning the present Pope and his predecessor must be both contradicting scripture when they have repeatedly pointed out that Muslims and Christians worship the one true God. Let us not dance about with semantics again about 'one God' been different from that. There is either one God all monotheists worshipping or there is not and everyone except Catholic is worshipping either one other deity or a collection of different deities.

BRAVO!