Did Jesus have brothers and sisters? - Page 7

grandfather · #91 Apr 7, '12, 7:07 pm

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Originally Posted by 1voice

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"Christ in you"
Col 1:27

It was God's plan to reestablish the intimate relationship that had been severed by Adam.

I thought it was to save us.

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Each Christian, who is willing to receive the HS as the Disciples did on Pentecost, carries the same presence that once dwelt in the Ark.

What does that have to do with the Mother of God?

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As Jesus told the Apostles at Passover:
"The Holy Spirit is with you and he will be in you."

Which verse is that?

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You are focused on a container.

But that is what you are focused on when you say everyone is the ark.

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God's focus in The Bible is on the covenant that would create a people that have the right to enter into the most holy place. Hebrews 10:19

And we assume this holy place is heaven, right?

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The Ark of the covenant ... was the precursor of the the new covenant...

And how did the new covenant established in the blood of Christ come to us? Did he land in a space ship? Was that the ark that bore Him?

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A person that accepts the Holy Spirit into their heart ... Is a living new covenant.
"Ye are the temple of the Holy Spirit."

A living new covenant? I don't think I have heard that one before? Jesus blessed the cup and said this is a cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and many so that sins may be forgiven. But you are saying that persons who accept the Holy Spirit into their hearts are living new covenants. Can you find a place in scripture that says anything about this accepting the Holy Spirit into the heart and being a new covenant? I thought the evangelical story was that you had to accept Jesus into your heart as your personal savior and you could know you are saved forever. Either way, I don't think that is there in scripture either.

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Until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. God would only commune with man from the outside... that was the purpose of the Ark as well as the purpose of the Temple at Jerusalem.
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Are you making that up or is it in scripture somewhere or maybe you heard it somewhere?

1voice · #92 Apr 7, '12, 7:26 pm

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As Jesus told the Apostles at Passover:
"The Holy Spirit is with you and he will be in you."

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Originally Posted by grandfather

Which verse is that?

John 14:15 If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, 17 even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.

johnnyjones · #93 Apr 7, '12, 7:33 pm

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Originally Posted by grandfather

There is a lot of confusion posted in this thread. There is a Catholic saying things that are opposed to the Catohlic faith and a lot of specualtion being posted as known fact.

As simply put as possible, using scripture alone:

Paul speaks of the Apostle James and calls him, "James, brother of the Lord"

There were two Apostles named James according to scripture.

Paul says "brother of the Lord so that the reader knows which James he is naming.

There are three places in scripture that give a listing of all the apostles. When the two James are named they are further identified by naming their fahther's. None of the other apostles father's are named in these lists. It is so that we can know one James from the other.

JOSEPH IS NOT THE FATHER OF EITHER JAMES.

Mary was NOT the mother of either James.

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NEITHER JAMES COULD BE THE BROTHER OF JESUS.

Nevertheless Saint Paul says He met James the brother of the Lord? But neither one of them can be His sibling brother, because neither one has Mary or Joseph for a parent.

This is really very simple.

The word brother means, "close kinsman". James is the cousin of Jesus. To prove it read the accounts of the women at the cross. Some are named and identified with their husbands by name. There are Marys and her sister (close kinswoman) was there.

The wives of the fathers of the Apostles James were there. Now you know who their mothers were as well as their fathers.

When you read in Matthew and Mark about brothers of Jesus, there is James again, with others. We have already seen that James the brother of the Lord can not possibly be the sibling brother of Jesus. Neither are the rest.

There is it in the Bible.

Excellent answer. Very clear and informative.

LittleSoldier · #94 Apr 7, '12, 7:51 pm

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Originally Posted by 1voice

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Until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. God would only commune with man from the outside... that was the purpose of the Ark as well as the purpose of the Temple at Jerusalem.
After the sacrifice on the Cross ... Pentecost!

God would only commune with man from the outside of what?

1voice · #95 Apr 7, '12, 7:59 pm

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A person that accepts the Holy Spirit into their heart ... Is a living new covenant.
"Ye are the temple of the Holy Spirit."

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Originally Posted by grandfather

A living new covenant? I don't think I have heard that one before? Jesus blessed the cup and said this is a cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and many so that sins may be forgiven. But you are saying that persons who accept the Holy Spirit into their hearts are living new covenants. Can you find a place in scripture that says anything about this accepting the Holy Spirit into the heart and being a new covenant?

“See, a time is coming – declares the Lord – when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers, when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, a covenant which they broke, though I espoused them – declares the Lord. But such is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel after these days – declares the Lord: I will put My Teaching into their inmost being and inscribe it upon their hearts. Then I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No longer will they need to teach one another and say to one another, “Heed the Lord”; for all of them, from the least of them to the greatest, shall heed me – declares the Lord.” (Jeremiah 31:31)

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:20

Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Colossians 1:27

maryj · #96 Apr 7, '12, 8:29 pm

Mark 6:3 son of Mary and brother of james and Joses
then go to...
Mark15:40-41 also looking on,Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of the younger james and Joses
then go to...
John 19:25 standing at the cross were His mother and His mother's sister Mary the wife of Clopas

James and Joses, sons of Mary and Clopas...also the "cousins"( brothers) of Jesus.

Blessed Easter one and all!
He dispells the darkness, Praise be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

1voice · #97 Apr 7, '12, 8:55 pm

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Until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. God would only commune with man from the outside... that was the purpose of the Ark as well as the purpose of the Temple at Jerusalem.

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Originally Posted by grandfather

Are you making that up or is it in scripture somewhere or maybe you heard it somewhere?

what fellowship can light have with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:14

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
(Romans 3:23)

"The wages of sin is death"
(Romans 6:23)

How then can we be saved?
All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
Isaiah 64: 6
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20 For in him is found the Yes to all God's promises and therefore it is 'through him' that we answer 'Amen' to give praise to God.
21 It is God who gives us, with you, a sure place in Christ
22 and has both anointed us and marked us with his seal, giving us as pledge the Spirit in our hearts.
2 Cor 1: 20 - 22

For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Romans 5:19

1voice · #98 Apr 7, '12, 9:51 pm

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Each Christian, who is willing to receive the HS as the Disciples did on Pentecost, carries the same presence that once dwelt in the Ark.

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Originally Posted by grandfather

What does that have to do with the Mother of God?

The conversation started here #49 ...and led to where you picked it up.

**PRmerger** · #99 Apr 7, '12, 10:01 pm

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All Christians are the new Ark of the Covenant.

"Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you"
1 Corinthians 3:16

Indeed. That is very Catholic of you to say, 1voice!

All that we venerate in Mary is all that is possible for her children. As she is the new ark of the covenant, so, too, may we be the new ark of the covenant.

As she was assumed into heaven, so, too, may we her children be assumed.

As she was without sin, so, too, may we her children be without sin.

**PRmerger** · #**100** Apr 7, '12, 10:17 pm

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[Also, I haven't found anyone called the son of Joseph, except Jesus.

Hi, Anna!

You also won't find anyone called the "son of Mary" except, well, except for Jesus. Any "brothers" of Jesus won't be his brothers because they were the sons of Mary. No bible verse says that she had other children. Thus, his brothers must have been brothers by other means.

**PRmerger** · #**101** Apr 7, '12, 10:23 pm

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It doesnt matter one iota if Jesus had biological siblings/

Oh, absolutely it does.

All teachings on Mary only serve to affirm and confirm our teachings on Her Son.

That is, Mary's Perpetual Virginity affirms that He who was in her womb was the Divine Son of God.

Having her have other children in her womb tells the world that what was held in it prior was not-so-special.

If I were, say, a Muslim, and I was considering the Christian argument as to whether this Jesus Christ was really God one thing that would confirm that Jesus was NOT divine was Mary having other children in her womb.

LittleSoldier · #**102** Apr 7, '12, 10:40 pm

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Originally Posted by 1voice

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Each Christian, who is willing to receive the HS as the Disciples did on Pentecost, carries the same presence that once dwelt in the Ark.

The conversation started here #49 ...and led to where you picked it up.

You know, I think there are two threads in one here. One is defined by the title and the OP - one is a hijacking of the thread as defined by the title and the OP.

The title of this thread is: Did Jesus have brothers and sisters?

The title of the hijacking is: Who is the Ark of the Covenant?

Could we please go back to the thread as defined by the title and the OP and if you wish to discuss "Who is the Ark of the Covenant" you and anyone else who wishes can start and/or participate in that thread. IMHO it would be an excellent topic for a thread.

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Jesus, my Lord and Savior, why did we kill You?

mark a · #**103** Apr 8, '12, 9:59 am

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How is "You are the temple" not explicit?

The temple is not the ark. You equated the temple, ark, and believers.

Wandile · #**104** Apr 8, '12, 10:55 am

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You know, I think there are two threads in one here. One is defined by the title and the OP - one is a hijacking of the thread as defined by the title and the OP.

...if you wish to discuss "Who is the Ark of the Covenant" you and anyone else who wishes can start and/or participate in that thread. IMHO it would be an excellent topic for a thread.

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Jesus, my Lord and Savior, why did we kill You?

I just started the thread and you can find it by clicking here : The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

Happy Easter and have a blessed resurrection day

grandfather · #**105** Apr 9, '12, 8:31 am

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Originally Posted by 1voice

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As Jesus told the Apostles at Passover:
"The Holy Spirit is with you and he will be in you."

John 14:15 If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, 17 even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.

No, you wrote:

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As Jesus told the Apostles at Passover:

and you put:

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"The Holy Spirit is with you and he will be in you."

those precise words, in quotation marks. Do you have a verse in scripture, where those words are found, where Jesus spoke those words, or did you make them up and attribute them, your words, to the Savior?