Archbishop Chaput: shutting down charitable services is 'very much a possibility' [CWN]

CWN News · #1 Apr 4, '12, 5:00 am

Commenting on the Obama administration's contraceptive-coverage mandate, Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia said that "shutting down services is very much a possibility if the ...

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**Catherine S.** · #2 Apr 4, '12, 7:03 am

No one will be able to say they were not warned by those, such as Archbishop Chaput, who has been speaking out for some time on what is unfolding at this point in time.....
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"The most important thing [Catholics] can do is realize that constitutional guarantees are just scraps of elegant prose unless people fight to keep them alive. This country has no special immunity to anti-religious bigotry in our courts and legislatures. If we don’t press our lawmakers to defend the rights of religious believers and communities, then we’ll lose those rights. It’s already happening."

manualman · #3 Apr 5, '12, 9:24 am

This is the approach that Catholic Charities in Illinois took after the gay 'civil unions' law was passed and immediately used to REQUIRE all adoption agencies to not 'discriminate' against gay couples in their adoption policies. As I understand it, Catholic Charities throughout Illinois folded up like a wet noodle and got out of the adoption service ministry.

WHY?? Why can't we have our hospitals and things simply continue operating in defiance of the HHS law until Obama's thugs show up at the door to collect their fines and shut the place down? Why not show the world that THEY are the bad guys shutting down vital charitable ministries, not us?

_Abyssinia · #4 Apr 5, '12, 10:10 am

HHS mandate has to be rescinded, there are currently 9 lawsuits against it.

Obama has to go in January 2013. I can not believe how any Catholic could vote for Barack Obama after the position he has put Catholic institutions in; how can any Catholic vote for Barack Obama when Catholic charities could be forced to shut down!

Dawnia · #5 Apr 5, '12, 2:54 pm

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Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

HHS mandate has to be rescinded, there are currently 9 lawsuits against it.

Obama has to go in January 2013. I can not believe how any Catholic could vote for Barack Obama after the position he has put Catholic institutions in; how can any Catholic vote for Barack Obama when Catholic charities could be forced to shut down!

Do you have links for the nine lawsuits?

There are the ones at the SCOTUS level and the one in Texas at the appellate level. What are the others?

Corki · #6 Apr 5, '12, 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by Dawnia

Do you have links for the nine lawsuits?

There are the ones at the SCOTUS level and the one in Texas at the appellate level. What are the others?

There's the joint suit by EWTN and the state of Alabama too.

**JimG** · #7 Apr 5, '12, 4:44 pm

Here is a list of some of the lawsuits. I don't think it includes the ones filed by private companies.

http://healthcarelawsuits.org/blog/d...st-HHS-Mandate

Dawnia · #8 Apr 5, '12, 6:22 pm

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Originally Posted by JimG

Here is a list of some of the lawsuits. I don't think it includes the ones filed by private companies.

http://healthcarelawsuits.org/blog/d...st-HHS-Mandate

Thank you. I expect there will be a lot more if the law isn't shot down.

Megan7 · #9 Apr 5, '12, 6:44 pm

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Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

HHS mandate has to be rescinded, there are currently 9 lawsuits against it.

Obama has to go in January 2013. I can not believe how any Catholic could vote for Barack Obama after the position he has put Catholic institutions in; how can any Catholic vote for Barack Obama when Catholic charities could be forced to shut down!

I agree with you! Thanks for your post & thread!

This whole thing makes me sick!

But the thing is that there are people out there trying to reach Catholics, "wolves dressed
in sheeps clothing" I recently watched a video that exposed some fake Catholic organizations, that mislead Catholics to vote for things they normally would not vote for.
I will try to post a link to the video.

In any case, I am posting a link to the most influential person of the year, Cardinal Dolan is on the list.
I think its important to vote for him, to give him some clout, so the POTUS sees that the Church is still relevant. Cardinal Dolan, as head of the US College of Bishops has an uphill battle trying to fight the HHS mandate

Again, he needs some clout to be able to fight this EVIL!!!

Here is the link, please VOTE DEFINITELY YES, we only have until the end of Good Friday, April 6th, some people say we can vote until Saturday, but lets not risk it.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/pa...109596,00.html

Thanks so much,

We need to educate Catholic voters on this issue, or else we are in big trouble!
"THEY" have a big machinery behind the scenes, trying to increase the culture
of DEATH & destroy the Catholic Church at all costs!

EWTN has helped many convert to the Faith, they could end up gone, lots of soup kitchens, shelters, etc. could all vanish. What about our beloved CAF?

Write to your representatives, write to your Bishops, educate other Catholics, and
PRAY A LOT!!!!

God Bless,

Pax,
Megan

**Dale_M** · #10 Apr 5, '12, 6:50 pm

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Originally Posted by manualman

This is the approach that Catholic Charities in Illinois took after the gay 'civil unions' law was passed and immediately used to REQUIRE all adoption agencies to not 'discriminate' against gay couples in their adoption policies. As I understand it, Catholic Charities throughout Illinois folded up like a wet noodle and got out of the adoption service ministry.

Neither of those points are true. The Catholic Charities of Illinois did fight the matter in court, but they had a losing hand.

The law did not require all adoption agencies to provide services to gay couples. The law applied only to adoption agencies which provided adoption services as part of a government contract. If Catholic Charities had wanted to raise their operating expenses privately, they could have continued to provide adoption services.

Megan7 · #11 Apr 5, '12, 7:13 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

HHS mandate has to be rescinded, there are currently 9 lawsuits against it.

Obama has to go in January 2013. I can not believe how any Catholic could vote for Barack Obama after the position he has put Catholic institutions in; how can any Catholic vote for Barack Obama when Catholic charities could be forced to shut down!

Once again, thanks for your post!

You mentioned, how can any catholic vote for Obama?

Well, please click on this
Youtube video, it is the product of over 600 hours of research,

Regardless whether you like or dislike this particular speaker, it should not matter, because the information is crucial. The details disclosed here should help us out to realize why we are facing this EVIL situation. It explains clearly what has taken place in previous elections. Obviously, this will affect the next election as well. We need to spread
this video & educate our Catholic friends, relatives, etc. Most people do not realize this.
People assume that if an organization has the word Catholic in it, that it is, but even when
you look at a so called Catholic University like Georgetown University, is it Catholic? When it has & supports Gay & Lesbian clubs/organizations on campus, etc.?

Lots of fraudulent Catholic groups, that call themselves Catholics, but they are NOT Catholic, they cannot be Catholic, if they are doing everything against Catholic teaching.

Please take the time to watch this, please pass it on.
Basically, if you see a political organization calling themselves Catholic, you should be very carefull, because it does not mean they are following Catholic Dogma, teaching.

Some of these so called Catholic organizations are not true Catholic organizations,
if they are going against the Church teaching, and Holy Mother Church.

The video will quote the Catholic Cathechism, and show a very sad truth, reality....
A lot of money is being used to fund these so called Catholic organizations, to help/influence Catholics vote against Catholic Dogma. This is how it has happened!

They have been brainwashed!

Please pass it on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFYCNKi-BhA

Thank you,
God Bless,

Have a Blessed Resurrection/Easter Sunday,

Pax,
Megan

We have to be & act like the Church Militant!

manualman · #12 Apr 6, '12, 9:56 am

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Originally Posted by Dale_M

Neither of those points are true. The Catholic Charities of Illinois did fight the matter in court, but they had a losing hand.

The law did not require all adoption agencies to provide services to gay couples. The law applied only to adoption agencies which provided adoption services as part of a government contract. If Catholic Charities had wanted to raise their operating expenses privately, they could have continued to provide adoption services.

Are you sure of that? I'm pretty sure they ceased providing any and all adoption services as a result of the law. I do recall the court battle and losing, but I'm not aware of them being eligible to continue operating for private clients. My understanding was that they were prohibited from doing so on a civil rights challenge based on the civil union law. No?

Suudy · #13 Apr 6, '12, 10:19 am

I think this is exactly what the administration wants. They don't want private organizations doing the work that they think the government should be doing. It's the government that really cares, not some persnickety private organization.

**Dale_M** · #14 Apr 6, '12, 10:34 am

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Originally Posted by manualman

Are you sure of that? I'm pretty sure they ceased providing any and all adoption services as a result of the law. I do recall the court battle and losing, but I'm not aware of them being eligible to continue operating for private clients. My understanding was that they were prohibited from doing so on a civil rights challenge based on the civil union law. No?

The judge's ruling concerned whether Catholic Charities had a right to have their government contracts renewed.

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A Sangamon County judge ruled Thursday that the state can decline to renew its contracts with Catholic Charities in Illinois to provide publicly funded foster care and adoption services, meaning the process of transferring children to other social service agencies can proceed.

In a packed courtroom just one day earlier, lawyers for Catholic Charities urged Sangamon County Circuit Judge John Schmidt to prevent the state from suddenly severing a partnership that has funded foster care and adoption services in Illinois for four decades.

But Schmidt wrote in his ruling released Thursday that the longevity of the relationship between the state and Catholic Charities in Joliet, Peoria, Springfield and Belleville did not entitle them to automatic renewal of their contracts.

"No citizen has a recognized legal right to a contract with the government," Schmidt wrote.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,7997624.story

So while Catholic Charities did stop providing adoption services because of the civil unions law, another issue was how to pay for adoption services in the absence of government funding.

manualman · #15 Apr 6, '12, 11:53 am

Ah, I see. The government establishes a massive regulatory framework around adoption, "solves" the problem of resultant enormous adoption costs by funding social service agencies, then denies that funding to any agency that refuses to accede to the state's moral judgements about who can be an adoptive parent.

But the state has NOT forced catholic charities out of the adoption business.

You make good technical points, but you missed the big picture, IMO.