Trayvon Martin: Before the world heard the cries - Page 55

seekerz · #**811** Apr 11, '12, 8:46 pm

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Originally Posted by catharina

Wonderful post.
Thank you so much.

YW.

seekerz · #**812** Apr 11, '12, 8:49 pm

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Originally Posted by SwizzleStick

Here's another source that supports the idea that Zimmerman is not racist and the media got that way wrong.

If only Zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his truck at all the evening of February 26. If only.

"Zimmerman's family: George handed out fliers, protesting police coddling of white suspect

George Zimmerman handed out fliers at black Sanford churches a year ago, outraged that a white police lieutenant's son, captured on video sucker-punching a homeless black man, was not arrested on the spot, family members said.

The fliers urged people to attend a Sanford City Commission meeting and demand that the police chief be held accountable."...

Blue excerpt from: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...bert-zimmerman

He may not be racist; I've always thought that was neither here nor there, because you don't have to be racist to profile - which I believe, based on the 911 call, is what he did.

Dawnia · #**813** Apr 11, '12, 8:50 pm

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Originally Posted by seekerz

Does nobody find it totally ridiculous that a gun-toting vigilante supposedly ended up a victim? So what's the real reason guys walk around toting loaded weapons if they're going to end up losing schoolyard fights?

What you claim is a schoolyard fight is assault in the real world.

There goes that superpower theory again. Guns don't give anyone superpowers to fend off attacks...I think you have to have tights or something to accomplish that.

**rlg94086** · #**814** Apr 11, '12, 8:51 pm

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Originally Posted by seekerz

Does nobody find it totally ridiculous that a gun-toting vigilante supposedly ended up a victim? So what's the real reason guys walk around toting loaded weapons if they're going to end up losing schoolyard fights?

Not ridiculous at all. While he was "gun-toting," I don't know that he is a "vigilante." As far as "losing schoolyard fights," I don't know the circumstances that brought the gun into play. Certainly, he could have prevented such a fight by shooting the young man first. Apparently, he didn't do that, which lends more credence, not less, to his self-defense claim.

SwizzleStick · #**815** Apr 11, '12, 8:59 pm

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Originally Posted by seekerz

He may not be racist; I've always thought that was neither here nor there, because you don't have to be racist to profile - which I believe, based on the 911 call, is what he did.

You mean the suspicious behavior, but nothing specific, mentioned in the 911 call, I guess? Maybe we'll learn more about that during the trial.

**rlg94086** · #**816** Apr 11, '12, 9:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Dawnia

What you claim is a schoolyard fight is assault in the real world.

There goes that superpower theory again. Guns don't give anyone superpowers to fend off attacks...I think you have to have tights or something to accomplish that.

"No capes!" - Edna Mode

seekerz · #**817** Apr 11, '12, 9:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Dawnia

What you claim is a schoolyard fight is assault in the real world.

There goes that superpower theory again. Guns don't give anyone superpowers to fend off attacks...I think you have to have tights or something to accomplish that.

I agree that guns don't give superpowers, but surely if you're following a 'suspicious' person, your weapon surely is not far from your reach or your mind. How on earth then do you find yourself fighting for your life.

BTW, how exactly does one decide to turn one's back on said 'suspicious' person? Maybe this is not about guns at all but about the gun holders....?

**catharina** · #**818** Apr 11, '12, 9:08 pm

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Originally Posted by SwizzleStick

You mean the suspicious behavior, but nothing specific, mentioned in the 911 call, I guess? Maybe we'll learn more about that during the trial.

It still staggers me that anyone who is walking in an unfamiliar
neighborhood, looking around in the rain, would be thought to be "suspicious-looking.

To me, Trayvon's action seems to be the norm and predictable.
Suspicious? Maybe to the suspicious.

seekerz · #**819** Apr 11, '12, 9:11 pm

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Originally Posted by rlg94086

Not ridiculous at all. While he was "gun-toting," I don't know that he is a "vigilante." As far as "losing schoolyard fights," I don't know the circumstances that brought the gun into play. Certainly, he could have prevented such a fight by shooting the young man first. Apparently, he didn't do that, which lends more credence, not less, to his self-defense claim.

Credence? I'm not sure what credence there is in the story of someone who follows a kid in the dark, a kid whom he suspects to be up to no good, and then for reasons not quite clear, decides to turn his back on him...

**rlg94086** · #**820** Apr 11, '12, 9:12 pm

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Originally Posted by catharina

It still staggers me that anyone who is walking in an unfamiliar
neighborhood, looking around in the rain, would be thought to be "suspicious-looking.

To me, Trayvon's action seems to be the norm and predictable.
Suspicious? Maybe to the suspicious.

Being that you weren't there to actually observe his actions, you have no way of knowing whether they appeared suspicious.

**rlg94086** · #**821** Apr 11, '12, 9:14 pm

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Originally Posted by seekerz

Credence? I'm not sure what credence there is in the story of someone who follows a kid in the dark, a kid whom he suspects to be up to no good, and then for reasons not quite clear, decides to turn his back on him...

Whatever the reason, if he turned his back on him, he presumably wasn't a vigilante intent on killing him.

**catharina** · #**822** Apr 11, '12, 9:20 pm

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Originally Posted by seekerz

Credence? I'm not sure what credence there is in the story of someone who follows a kid in the dark, a kid whom he suspects to be up to no good, and then for reasons not quite clear, decides to turn his back on him...

Not to mention the facts:
he was told 'do NOT follow'
and
he had no plans to offer assistance
to this "suspicious" person.

**catharina** · #**823** Apr 11, '12, 9:23 pm

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Originally Posted by seekerz

Credence? I'm not sure what credence there is in the story of someone who follows a kid in the dark, a kid whom he suspects to be up to no good, and then for reasons not quite clear, decides to turn his back on him...

Maybe Zimmerman was tired of walking in the rain?

maryjk · #**824** Apr 11, '12, 9:23 pm

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Originally Posted by seekerz

I agree that guns don't give superpowers, but surely if you're following a 'suspicious' person, your weapon surely is not far from your reach or your mind. How on earth then do you find yourself fighting for your life.

BTW, how exactly does one decide to turn one's back on said 'suspicious' person? Maybe this is not about guns at all but about the gun holders....?

According to what Zimmerman told the dispatcher, he lost sight of Martin and Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck. Then Martin approached him from behind.

As a person that has a concealed carry permit, I understand him not pulling his weapon at that time. While he was walking back, there was no threat. There wasn't a threat until Martin approached.

**catharina** · #**825** Apr 11, '12, 9:24 pm

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Originally Posted by maryjk

According to what Zimmerman told the dispatcher, he lost sight of Martin and Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck. Then Martin approached him from behind.

As a person that has a concealed carry permit, I understand him not pulling his weapon at that time. While he was walking back, there was no threat. There wasn't a threat until Martin approached.

That is 'according to Zimmerman.'