Joseph Smith's Bank

[RebeccaJ]

Originally Posted by Jerusha

http://www.rustcoin.com/store/images/P301c.jpg

Do you see the anti-Bank-ing Co.?

Wow!! If you find one of those $3.00 bills it might be worth more than $13,000

Is that a Hoffman forgery?

[RebeccaJ]

Originally Posted by TexanKnight

To get this back on track, records show that Joseph started a bank when he really should not have because he said God told him to. He lost everyone's money, was charged with crimes and sued for losses, so, Joseph did what Joseph always did when the law and society was after him- he ran.

A true Prophet of the True God would never have done this.

More proof that Joseph was not a true prophet.

at least, not a prophet of the True God

I think the best part about his running from Kirtland is his stating that he had "to escape mob violence, which was about to burst upon us under the color of legal process to cover the hellish designs of our enemies".

...people bought it then, and still do today.

[Jerusha]

Don't forget D&C121: 11, 14-.23

...And they who do charge thee with transgressions, their hope shall be blasted, and their prospects shall melt away as the hoar frost melteth before the burning rays of the rising sun;...
That they may be disappointed also, and their hopes may be cut off;
And not may years hence, that they and their posterity shall be swept from under heaven, saith God, that not one of them is left to stand by the wall:
Cursed are all those that shall lift up the heel against thine anointed, saith the Lord, and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before me, saith the Lord, but have done that which was meet in mine eyes, and which I commanded them;
But those who cry transgression, do it because they are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves;
And those who swear falsely against my servants, that they might bring them into bondage, and death:
Wo unto them; because they have offended my little ones, they shall be severed form the ordinances of mine house;
Their basket shall not be full, their houses and their barns shall perish, and they themselves shall be despised by those that flattered them;
They shall not have right to the Priesthood, nor their posterity after them, from generation to generation;
It had been better for them that a millstone had been hanged about their necks, and they drowned in the depth of the sea.
Wo unto all those that discomfort my people, and drive, and murder and testify against them, saith the Lord of Hosts; a generation of vipers shall not escape the damnation of hell.

A very harsh curse that Joseph Smith thought he had the power to put on those who would interfere with his works, "from generation to generation." I wonder what percent of the LDS population consider this to be important? After all, it is (apparently) JS's own words.

As a native of Hancock County Illinois, with deep and continuous roots in that county, it is a rather chilling discovery.

Oh-- I don't believe in the death penalty.

[Jerusha]

Originally Posted by RebeccaJ

Is that a Hoffman forgery?

LOL Hadn't thought of that. Does look to be in uncommonly good condition.

[Telstar]

Originally Posted by Jerusha

http://www.rustcoin.com/store/images/P301c.jpg

Do you see the anti-Bank-ing Co.?

Wow!! If you find one of those $3.00 bills it might be worth more than $13,000

Hmmm.... I should probably resist the urge to make a comment about something or someone being as phoney as that $3 bill, huh?

[Jerusha]

LOL the con artist to beat all of them. Hoffmann was just an amateur.

[twopekinguys]

Originally Posted by RebeccaJ

Well she also thought atheists who had a positive view of Jesus Christ were Christians.



I don't think she has been reincarnated. She went on her mission to England, not Guatemala.

I missed that one, but somehow it doesn't surprise me in the least.

[TexanKnight]

Hoffman needs his own thread. Too much good stuff

[garyo49]

Originally Posted by RebeccaJ

Every Mormon I know supports the death penalty. I don't think they know, or realize, that Catholic social teaching only allows the death penalty in cases where a person cannot be kept safely separate from society. Such as a life sentence. Here in UT, every time a terrible crime is committed the comments section in the newspapers are rife with all sorts of violence that people would like to inflict on the accused, including mutilations, tortures and death. Mormons have vengeance in their hearts. They believe Smith was justified in his shooting of others, Brigham Young continued to teach for decades afterward that vengeance against those responsible for Smith's death (all of Missouri) was God's will.

Not only was revenge of the so called prophet Joseph encouraged, it was part of the oaths that people at that time took each time they attended the holy temple. I think that it was well into the last century before the oath to avenge Joe Smiths death was removed from the temple ceremony.

[Jerusha]

I think that it was well into the last century before the oath to avenge Joe Smiths death was removed from the temple ceremony.

And that bitterness still remains in multi-generation LDS families. Read backwards on this thread for more info that relates to me, and many others.

[PaulDupre]

Originally Posted by garyo49

Not only was revenge of the so called prophet Joseph encouraged, it was part of the oaths that people at that time took each time they attended the holy temple. I think that it was well into the last century before the oath to avenge Joe Smiths death was removed from the temple ceremony.

From wikipedia article "Oath of vengeance":

The oath of vengeance was an addition made to the Nauvoo Endowment under the direction of Brigham Young by 1845 in the Nauvoo Temple, soon after the 1844 death of Joseph Smith, Jr..[1] Participants agreed to be bound by the following oath, or something substantially similar:
"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."

...
Beginning in 1919, LDS Church president Heber J. Grant appointed a committee charged with revising the ceremony, which was done under the direction of Apostle George F. Richards from 1921 to 1927. Richards revised the ceremony to eliminate the oath of vengeance.

[Jerusha]

Thanks, Paul, for supplying that documentation. So the exact date was 1927?

[Janderich]

Originally Posted by Jerusha

And that bitterness still remains in multi-generation LDS families. Read backwards on this thread for more info that relates to me, and many others.

I'm not bitter. But I am sad at some of the comments on this thread. In particular with the fact that a good man was shot down and instead of outrage at those who killed him (who were never brought to justice) it is channeled at the man who was killed and the church he re-established.

[Jerusha]

Originally Posted by Janderich

I'm not bitter. But I am sad at some of the comments on this thread. In particular with the fact that a good man was shot down and instead of outrage at those who killed him (who were never brought to justice) it is channeled at the man who was killed and the church he re-established.

I do not regard Joseph Smith like you regard him. However, that was 170 years ago, and what was done-- was done, and regrettable. Get over it. Don't channel that hatred towards those whose ancestors might have been involved. Or the state or country where it happened.

[Calgar]

Originally Posted by lax16

Have you ever heard of a prophet of God having a gun smuggled to him and then using it?

Nope.

But I know of a prophet of God who was a murderer.