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Apr 15, '12, 4:10 pm
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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Originally Posted by rlg94086
You are voting for neither, right? So, what do you deserve? 
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My state has not yet been allowed to vote. I have not declared my intentions here as to who I will vote for in the general election, not have a I decided. The only one I said I would definitely not vote for was Gingrich.
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Apr 16, '12, 12:53 pm
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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Seekerz, show me one piece of evidence that Romney aligns his positions on any issue with that of the Mormon church. If you can provide an example, then your post might be valid. If not, then you are probably barking up the wrong tree.
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Did he attend that church for at least two decades, get married there and sit in the pews most Sundays? I learned in 2008 that that is the standard for determining whether someone shares their church leaders' views on an issue...Was I misinformed?
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Apr 16, '12, 6:59 pm
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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Originally Posted by seekerz
Did he attend that church for at least two decades, get married there and sit in the pews most Sundays? I learned in 2008 that that is the standard for determining whether someone shares their church leaders' views on an issue...Was I misinformed?
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Then explain the political differences between Orrin Hatch and Harry Reid - two senators who are both Mormon but on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Or explain the differences between Rick Santorum and Barbara Mikulski who are both catholic yet polar opposites politically. I think you're confused, Seekerz. The criticism of Obama was in attending a church in which the pastor would condemn America. He was rightly criticized for attending that church.
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Apr 17, '12, 3:38 am
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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Great year. I'll have to go with somebody whom I just don't trust must, having no other moral choice.
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That choice for me is leaning more and more towards Joe Schriner, an independent who seems proud to be Catholic, and on most, if not all the issues. I know many would consider that a throw away vote, but both major parties might just keep throwing out the same type of guys year in and year out because we eat out of their hands.
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Apr 17, '12, 8:17 am
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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Originally Posted by ishii
Then explain the political differences between Orrin Hatch and Harry Reid - two senators who are both Mormon but on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Or explain the differences between Rick Santorum and Barbara Mikulski who are both catholic yet polar opposites politically. I think you're confused, Seekerz. The criticism of Obama was in attending a church in which the pastor would condemn America. He was rightly criticized for attending that church.
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Oh, so criticizing America is the crime, not accepting abortion? Excuse me while I go look up who in politics associates with Pat Robertson.
P.S. Thanks for bringing up Hatch and Reid: that is exactly the spectrum along which Romney must fit, but I think I remember hearing that he is a devout Mormon. In that case he would be bound to respect the full range of their beliefs, no?
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If we can't force people to help the poor through taxation, how can we force people to be pro life...etc. through legislation? (ProdigalSon1)
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Apr 17, '12, 5:24 pm
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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Did he attend that church for at least two decades, get married there and sit in the pews most Sundays? I learned in 2008 that that is the standard for determining whether someone shares their church leaders' views on an issue...Was I misinformed?
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It is called "sustaining the prophet" or priesthood leadership depending on location. Once a mormons are asked to raise their hands to sustain him, there are no no's or abstentions.
The conference is viewed in local wards and all mormons sustain the prophet by show of hands.
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Apr 17, '12, 5:42 pm
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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It is called "sustaining the prophet" or priesthood leadership depending on location. Once a mormons are asked to raise their hands to sustain him, there are no no's or abstentions.
The conference is viewed in local wards and all mormons sustain the prophet by show of hands.
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Thanks for that tidbit.
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If we can't force people to help the poor through taxation, how can we force people to be pro life...etc. through legislation? (ProdigalSon1)
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Apr 17, '12, 6:24 pm
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Re: Romney the Centrist Peeks Out
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Originally Posted by seekerz
Oh, so criticizing America is the crime, not accepting abortion? Excuse me while I go look up who in politics associates with Pat Robertson.
P.S. Thanks for bringing up Hatch and Reid: that is exactly the spectrum along which Romney must fit, but I think I remember hearing that he is a devout Mormon. In that case he would be bound to respect the full range of their beliefs, no?
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Well, regarding abortion, I expect Romney to nominate judges who will be constructionist in the mold of Alito and Scalia - and would overturn Roe V Wade, thus returning the issue to the states to outlaw abortion. That to me is a lot closer to Catholic moral teaching than Obama's solemn committment to protecting the right of a woman to kill her child. Big difference between Obama and Romney on this issue for that reason.
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