George Zimmerman makes initial court appearance in Trayvon Martin shooting, will plead not guilty

[catharina]

Originally Posted by SamH

You are the one that keeps making a point of saying how stupid he was to approach Martin - why?

NO - your turn:

What does BLACK have to do with it???

[catharina]

Originally Posted by Calgar

I don't know. Honestly I would clam up. I've been on both sides and talking after you've made a good statement is generally a bad idea.

Thank you for answering the question.

[seekerz]

Originally Posted by Cider

Those two statements don't jive at all


but hey, she has fallen in line now.

She's a grieving mother, in most societies, she would be allowed some leeway for all the stress of the last 40 odd days. Zimmerman's dad was the first to claim that Trayvon said something about this being Z's last night on earth; he also accused the president of hatred AND his kid's not even dead...

[SamH]

Originally Posted by catharina

NO - your turn:

What does BLACK have to do with it???

Apparently a lot in your mind.

[Dawnia]

Originally Posted by SwizzleStick

I think you may be correct. It is quite a flip-flop to go from this:

"Trayvon Martin's mom says she thinks his killing was an 'accident'

Trayvon Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton told the TODAY show Thursday that she believes her son’s fatal shooting by George Zimmerman was an accident.

“I believe it was an accident, I believe that it just got out of control and he couldn’t turn the clock back," she said. "I would ask him, 'Did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon?'” she added."...

to this:

"George Zimmerman stalked my son and murdered him in cold blood."

and this:

"When I referenced the word 'accident' today with regard to Trayvon's death, in NO way did I mean the shooting was an accident," Fulton said.

"My son was profiled, followed and murdered by George Zimmerman, and there was nothing accidental about that," she said, clarifying that the "accident" was that Martin and Zimmerman ever crossed paths.

I'm thinking maybe the prosecution influenced her to retract her accident statement since the affidavit contends Zimmerman provoked the confrontation with Martin.

That's likely to come back and bite her later.

[Calgar]

Originally Posted by catharina

NO - your turn:

What does BLACK have to do with it???

Apparently quite a bit.

I'm sure Sharpton, Jackson, and the Black Panthers could talk your ear off about how "black" has everything to do with it.

I'm going on a bike ride now, I just know this thread will be, like, 15 pages longer when I get back.

[catharina]

Originally Posted by SamH

Apparently a lot in your mind.

No. You dragged it out of nowhere,
attempting to link it to my post.
Yet there is NO link to my post.
The link must be in your mind.

[seekerz]

Originally Posted by Dawnia

That's likely to come back and bite her later.

Why? She wasn't a witness to the incident. Her opinion of what happened is of no legal consequence that I know of, except perhaps, at sentencing - if we get to that stage.

[catharina]

Originally Posted by Calgar

I'm sure Sharpton, Jackson, and the Black Panthers could talk your ear off about how "black" has everything to do with it.

I'm going on a bike ride now, I just know this thread will be, like, 15 pages longer when I get back.

Maybe the bike ride will clear your mind.
Bike rides can do that for many people.

[SamH]

Originally Posted by catharina

No. You dragged it out of nowhere,
attempting to link it to my post.
Yet there is NO link to my post.
The link must be in your mind.

I'm not the one saying everyone should stay in doors because a black man is in the neighborhood - you are.

[catharina]

Originally Posted by SamH

I'm not the one saying everyone should stay in doors because a black man is in the neighborhood - you are.

SHOW ME -
since I have never even implied that!

I can hardly believe you tried such a slur.
Be my guest: SHOW ME when/where I've said that.

[St Francis]

Originally Posted by Dawnia

The Affidavit of Probable Cause has been released. I was kind of surprised that their evidence to support their claim was heresay evidence and not something substantial. I hope they have something better than that or they're going to get slaughtered at trial. It may be they use the weakest evidence in the affidavit just to get the ball moving. Our criminal cases are done differently, so I'm not familiar with this procedure. Anyone know?

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-04/69353440.pdf

At the end of the document, the prosecution said they had more evidence, and that this was just to get the process started. I think at this point they only have to prove probable cause to charge.

And they would not lay out their entire case by any means, because then the defense would be able to address their contentions well. Both sides try to keep what they are doing secret to avoid that.

[SamH]

Originally Posted by catharina

SHOW ME -
since I have never even implied that!

Here ya go:

Originally Posted by catharina

There's still the old refrain, wrong place, wrong time.
Of course it is/was George who put himself there.

WHY was he out of his vehicle?

WHY was he so close to Trayvon?

[catharina]

Originally Posted by SamH

Here ya go:

Uh-huh.

Now tell me about the BLACK man I mentioned.
It's NOT there.
It's in YOUR post.

[SamH]

Originally Posted by catharina

Uh-huh.

Now tell me about the BLACK man I mentioned.
It's NOT there.
It's in YOUR post.

Are you claiming Martin is not black?