Romney: Welfare Moms Need 'Dignity of Work' - Page 7

JimR-OCDS · #91 Apr 17, '12, 3:58 pm

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Originally Posted by CRUE CAB

I know plenty of young people that DONT and WONT work. They are just as happy to collect whatever government pay is out there to sit on thier backsides at thier mom and dads house.
And too many moms and dads are just willing to let thier kids and THIER kids live at home too.
We have become on one hand a nanny state, and on the other we have parents coddleing thier brats well into their 20s.
I will be 49 tomrrow.
I have worked since I was 14.
The only time my parents were ok with me not working was if I was playing sports in high school.
Other than that I worked, I also have no plans to retire. Most people my age know we will work till we die.

A single adult with no income, gets no help from the government. Heck, a married 60 year old unemployed adult, gets no help.

It's a myth that anyone without children, who is able to work gets to sit home and collect an income from the government.

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #92 Apr 17, '12, 4:00 pm

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Originally Posted by ndeparis88

I think that one of the reasons the men left the women was that they knew that uncle same would take care of them. .

Alcoholics and drug addicts abandon their wife and kids regardless if they get help or not, and it was just as prominent during the great depression as it is today. They just don't care.

FYI, I live in the People's Republic too.

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #93 Apr 17, '12, 4:03 pm

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Originally Posted by CMatt25

Typical Romney. Always all over the place. I saw a tape of him yesterday defending Roe v Wade and a woman's right to choose back in his days in Massachusetts. Then last wk they're defending a woman's choice and Ann's choice to stay at home. Now the next wk, stay at home moms shouldn't have a choice and should not stay at home for their dignity.

Well, people evolve when it comes to supporting abortion.

However, when Romney was governor of MA, my state, he was very much pro-life and fought against supporting abortion funding by the state.

Unfortunately, the state legislature is 87% democrat and most bills were veto proof.

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #94 Apr 17, '12, 4:05 pm

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Originally Posted by stinkcat_14

There are plenty of older people who don't and won't work as well. They are also happy to collect what the government pays out. And demand more, Medicare part D anyone? That is a pure welfare program, which was done George W. Bush.

Actually, if you're forced to take early retirement at age 62, as I'll probably be, the government prohibits you from making more than $14,000 per year. However, that only last until age 65, then they let you earn $40,000. At age 66, which is full retirement for most baby boomers, you can earn all you want.

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #95 Apr 17, '12, 4:07 pm

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Originally Posted by stinkcat_14

Yes, I work and I am middle aged. So the question is: Should I be entitled to the fruit of someone else's labor just because I pass an arbitrary age. Now, if the government offers me the dole, will I take it? Yes, because my greed exceeds my desire to avoid being a hypocrite. On the other hand, by the time I get that age I will have had over 40 years in the labor force, plenty of time in my opinion to save up money for my retirement.

If you've paid into the system all of your life so others could reap the benefits of retirement in their older years, why shouldn't you get the same benefit?

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #96 Apr 17, '12, 4:11 pm

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Originally Posted by CHRISTINE77

I am 56 and have been working all my life, but not at a very lucrative job. Therefore, when I retire if I do at 65, I will probably still need to work at least part time, even with social security and my savings.

You can't get full retirement until age 66.

If you retire at age 62, you're limited to earning $14,000 per year.

Of course you don't get health care, unless of course you live in MA or Obama Care survives.

Then, you'll be able to buy health insurance at a reduced rate, because you'll be put into a pool of people who also must buy insurance on their own.

It's not a free government health insurance program , contrary to what many conservatives believe. You must pay for it, yourself.

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #97 Apr 17, '12, 4:14 pm

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Originally Posted by rlg94086

Define "bunch of kids." My mom raised us as a single mom working as a secretary and never had to take government assistance. There were three of us, and the youngest is physically handicapped. Is she some super mom exception?

Thank God for you.

Not everyone gets the same breaks in life.

I know women working at MacDonalds part time for $8. Without food stamps and rent assistance, they'd be homeless and starving.

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #98 Apr 17, '12, 4:16 pm

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Originally Posted by rlg94086

Really? Do you have any figures to back that up?

My mother is incredible, but I don't think that other mothers are incapable, as liberals seem to think. Women have an amazing capacity.

Your mom probably had a far better economy to work in than many single mother's today have.

Imagine yourself with two kids, and you just lost your job because the company moved to China.

Now, your unemployment ran out and you still can't find work.

What would you do?

Jim

JimR-OCDS · #99 Apr 17, '12, 4:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Luigi Daniele

They need to completely eliminate the income tax and replace it with a national sales tax (with a Congressional supermajority required to raise it after it has been in force for 3 years.).

The problem with that is, the underground economy would grow and therebye force an increase of policing.

A flat tax is a better option.

Jim

anp1215 · #**100** Apr 17, '12, 4:26 pm

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Originally Posted by CRUE CAB

I know plenty of young people that DONT and WONT work. They are just as happy to collect whatever government pay is out there to sit on thier backsides at thier mom and dads house.
And too many moms and dads are just willing to let thier kids and THIER kids live at home too.
We have become on one hand a nanny state, and on the other we have parents coddleing thier brats well into their 20s.
I will be 49 tomrrow.
I have worked since I was 14.
The only time my parents were ok with me not working was if I was playing sports in high school.
Other than that I worked, I also have no plans to retire. Most people my age know we will work till we die.

Yup. It's pitiful.

Except that it's more like into their 30s, not 20s.

**rlg94086** · #**101** Apr 17, '12, 5:56 pm

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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS

Thank God for you.

Not everyone gets the same breaks in life.

I know women working at MacDonalds part time for $8. Without food stamps and rent assistance, they'd be homeless and starving.

Jim

That's quite an ignorant statement. What break did my mom have? That she had to raise three boys alone? That her youngest was born with a birth defect that required several surgeries? Yep. Lucky, she was....

**rlg94086** · #**102** Apr 17, '12, 5:59 pm

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Originally Posted by JimR-OCDS

Your mom probably had a far better economy to work in than many single mother's today have.

Imagine yourself with two kids, and you just lost your job because the company moved to China.

Now, your unemployment ran out and you still can't find work.

What would you do?

Jim

I'm not going to play your hypothetical games. There are too many factors involved and to many different solutions. I'm sure whatever I answer, you will say, "well, not everyone has ________."

My family has adapted to layoffs and financial hardships. My sister-in-law is going through worse than you describe right now. She is moving, relying on Church and family, etc.

nickiwool · #**103** Apr 17, '12, 6:30 pm

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Originally Posted by rlg94086

I'm not going to play your hypothetical games. There are too many factors involved and to many different solutions. I'm sure whatever I answer, you will say, "well, not everyone has ________."

My family has adapted to layoffs and financial hardships. My sister-in-law is going through worse than you describe right now. She is moving, relying on Church and family, etc.

Jim wasn't saying your mother was lucky for having being stuck alone or with a disabled child. He gave his example as that your mothers era most likely wasn't how ours is today or was a few years ago. Which I agree with all his statements. Like you said she had a job some of us have applied everywhere and even Mc donalds wouldn't accept us because of no food service back ground. (true story). Sometimes there is just no work. You said your sister in law is going through heck right now I'm sure it's as bad as I was going through. She should get on assistance she needs it right now. You said shes moving and depending on church and family. See there's another thing. Some of us have NO family at all. None, because of being adopted to an eldery couple who have now passed and who had no other children. Your angry because Jim isn't considering your mother a hero although she is, she raised her babies and did it with no spouse and had a disabled child to take care of. That makes her a hero not becasue she was on aid or not.

-Nicki

HailStarofSea · #**104** Apr 17, '12, 6:39 pm

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Originally Posted by rlg94086

IShe is moving, relying on Church and family, etc.

Not everyone has family or a Church.

**rlg94086** · #**105** Apr 17, '12, 6:39 pm

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Originally Posted by nickiwool

Jim wasn't saying your mother was lucky for having being stuck alone or with a disabled child. He gave his example as that your mothers era most likely wasn't how ours is today or was a few years ago. Which I agree with all his statements. Like you said she had a job some of us have applied everywhere and even Mc donalds wouldn't accept us because of no food service back ground. (true story). Sometimes there is just no work. You said your sister in law is going through heck right now I'm sure it's as bad as I was going through. She should get on assistance she needs it right now. You said shes moving and depending on church and family. See there's another thing. Some of us have NO family at all. None, because of being adopted to an eldery couple who have now passed and who had no other children. Your angry because Jim isn't considering your mother a hero although she is, she raised her babies and did it with no spouse and had a disabled child to take care of. That makes her a hero not wither she was on aid or not.

-Nicki

I'm not angry, I'm just not going to play his game. The fact you said my sister-in-law should "get on assistance" when I said she is relying on family, friends and Church is example #1 of what is wrong with our country.

Oh, and thanks for filling in Jim's "not everyone has" blank exactly as I predicted. Now, he won't have to do it.

Btw...your scenario is almost identical to one of my salesman's background. No experience required in car sales, so he made the best of his situation. I'm sorry for your experience and I don't deny that some people have a tougher time than others.

I've also never claimed that there shouldn't be a safety net to help those in need. All I've said is that Romney's call for providing some daycare, so welfare mothers could have the dignity to work is not hypocritical. I'm wholly against increasing the Welfare State for mothers to stay at home with their children. It is contrary to human dignity.