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I can see that would make this not correct would be that all people are not called to this Sacrament. I further do not understand how grace is
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There is no such list (and there never will be, IMHO).

Only the Holy See has the authority to produce such a list. Any other list is simply someone's opinion (though it may be a very good opinion). The Holy See has never issued such a list.

But, from what I have seen, such a list (if it existed) would be VERY short.

One reason why I am sure that no such list will ever be published is because it would be widely (almost universally) misunderstood. If some Apostolic Constitution by Pope Miscellaneous did not appear on the list, people would think that means it was not infallibly promulgated. But, the thing is - this could very well be infallibly promulgated - but simply not (yet) designated as such. The Church could make this designation at any time. (something like this happened with JP2's Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which was formally defined as infallible more than a year after its publication).

The Church has never been particularly anxious to define some teaching as infallible. The designation is of interest only to theologians and academics in very limited fields of study. It is completely irrelevant to everyone else.
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Just as a note to a moderator, I believe my question has been answered and this thread can be closed.
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This criteria is no different than that established for Papal infallibility by Vatican I. The Pope CAN speak infallibly, but the Church has only recognized THREE instances when a Pope has actually done so. Popes speak about faith and morals all the time, but the Church has not recognized any of these teachings (except these three) as infallible.
It's actually more times than one thinks (all emphasis mine)

here's 2 explanations
  • http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/which-church-teachings-have-been-declared-infallible
  • In the course of performing a canonization, the pope states “we declare and define that Blessed N., is a saint” (example). This triggers the Church’s gift of infallibility, which Vatican I teaches “the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals” (source). Consequently, the verb “define” has come to be used as a trigger word for infallible papal statements. If you see a pope say “we define” or “I define,” it is a signal that he is making a definition and thus exercising the Church’s gift of infallibility. (This is not the only way in which he can do this, but it is the standard way.) http://jimmyakin.com/2004/06/two_instances_o.html
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I did not know this, thank you!

Can you please direct me to the only infallible teachings recognized by the Church? Thanks.

All this time I have been under the impression that all Councils are considered infallible...

Thanks.
You can get an approximate list of them through the works of Ludwig Ott:

http://jloughnan.tripod.com/dogma.htm

Also see Denzinger, Sources of Catholic Dogma:
http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma.php
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