Ann Romney: ‘I Love The Fact That There Are Women Out There Who Don’t Have A Choice’ And ‘Must Go To Work’ - Page 3

VeritasLuxMea · #31 Apr 25, '12, 5:16 pm

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I love the fact that there are also women out there that don’t have a choice and they must go to work and they still have to raise the kids.

See, I don't get this part at all.

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Thank goodness that we value those people too. And sometimes life isn’t easy for any of us.”

I do get this, but not the first part.

I'm guessing she just misspoke, but as sympathetic as I am to the wealthy, Romney's hyper-wealth is a little problematic. He really seems out of touch with (and unconcerned about) people who have to live paycheck to paycheck. Not that Obama is, but at least Obama is willing to acknowledge those people. With Romney, I get the impression that he hardly thinks about those people.

Dawnia · #32 Apr 25, '12, 5:20 pm

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Originally Posted by St Francis

I don't think she loves the fact that women are in these situations, but that women rise to meet bad circumstances.

I added the whole quote because I didn't see it earlier.

I think her line about how everyone is valuable seems to me to be the point of her oddly worded speech.

She could have a split personality, a tail and walk around clucking like a chicken and none of it would matter. She's not running for the job, her husband is.

**gilliam** · #33 Apr 25, '12, 5:20 pm

For those who don't know. Ann Romney has multiple sclerosis

Kasama · #34 Apr 25, '12, 5:21 pm

It still amazes me that a chief Democratic Strategist could insult every mother in the United States who choose to raise children.

mommamia · #35 Apr 25, '12, 5:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Kasama

It still amazes me that a chief Democratic Strategist could insult every mother in the United States who choose to raise children.

Sorry, I was a stay at home mom for many years. Any job you can do in your pajama's is not "real work". I never had to worry if I was going to loose my job if my kid got sick, I never missed a first step, or first word. It's just not the same thing. Working mom's still have to clean, cook, do laundry, make dr's appointments etc... all the things us stay at home mom's did without the added burden of a real job.

If it's "real work" then why are the Romney's so against letting mothers with young children stay home while collecting benefits? Oh right, they need the "dignity" of work, so I guess poor Anne and I lack dignity for being blessed to stay home.

Now, I think Anne Romney's statement was just a poor choice of words, and not what she meant. But I also think Hilary Rosen's statement was just an oversimplification of what she meant, which is that Anne Romney has no idea what many mother's in America deal with. And that is not an attack, that is true.

ringil · #36 Apr 25, '12, 5:32 pm

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Barack Obama himself said that people should 'lay of his wife' and that it was 'low class' in 2008:

Did they?

Luigi Daniele · #37 Apr 25, '12, 5:33 pm

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Originally Posted by mommamia

Sorry, I was a stay at home mom for many years. Any job you can do in your pajama's is not "real work". .

I disagree completely.

mommamia · #38 Apr 25, '12, 5:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Luigi Daniele

I disagree completely.

So, do you think that mothers with young children should be able to collect benefits while staying home with the kids?

Kasama · #39 Apr 25, '12, 6:16 pm

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Originally Posted by mommamia

So, do you think that mothers with young children should be able to collect benefits while staying home with the kids?

Most would agree that raising kids at home is a lot more work than a job.

mommamia · #40 Apr 25, '12, 6:17 pm

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Most would agree that raising kids at home is a lot more work than a job.

You didn't answer the question.

markomalley · #41 Apr 25, '12, 6:18 pm

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So, do you think that mothers with young children should be able to collect benefits while staying home with the kids?

Benefits?

I work, outside of the house, and I don't get no stinkin' benefits. I get paid. So maybe the analogy should be "should she get paid?" rather than "should she be able to collect benefits"

Should she get paid? In a manner of speaking, yes. Her husband should be providing for her and their children.

This issue about "benefits" and "entitlements" just lays bare the entire problem with leftists:

...no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being

Pope Bl John XXIII, Mater et Magistra, 34

Of course, some will bring up the idea that people don't get paid enough to sustain their chosen lifestyles (sadly, in some cases, that lifestyle consists of living in a trailer park and being able to get groceries and put gas in the car...but not hardly in many, many cases)

The answer to that comes from Pope Bl. John Paul II, from Laborem Exercens, 19:

...Just remuneration for the work of an adult who is responsible for a family means remuneration which will suffice for establishing and properly maintaining a family and for providing security for its future. Such remuneration can be given either through what is called a family wage-that is, a single salary given to the head of the family fot his work, sufficient for the needs of the family without the other spouse having to take up gainful employment outside the home...

Back in the old days, many employers took into account the family situation when determining wages. Sadly, that has gone by the wayside as it was determined that it was discriminatory. So now, we have a situation that a family that wishes to have a full time mother at home must, in most cases, make sacrifices.

But that's the way that our society, in its desire to be fair, chose to go about 30 years ago or so. And now we reap the reward for that determination.

Lujack · #42 Apr 25, '12, 6:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Kasama

It still amazes me that a chief Democratic Strategist could insult every mother in the United States who choose to raise children.

It amazes me that some people see being a stay at-home mother as more work than having to work a full-time job in order to put food on the table and then attempt to do the same things that Ann Romney does.

That was clearly the poorly-phrased point that the woman was trying to make. Ann Romney made a legitimate point, poorly phrased. As I gave the Democratic strategist the benefit of the doubt, I'll also give Ann Romney the benefit of the doubt.

mommamia · #43 Apr 25, '12, 6:37 pm

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It amazes me that some people see being a stay at-home mother as more work than having to work a full-time job in order to put food on the table and then attempt to do the same things that Ann Romney does.

That was clearly the poorly-phrased point that the woman was trying to make. Ann Romney made a legitimate point, poorly phrased. As I gave the Democratic strategist the benefit of the doubt, I'll also give Ann Romney the benefit of the doubt.

Thank you! That is what I'm trying to say. Of course women with children should have to work if they get benefits. Heck, I'm about to leave my three children home alone to be with dh for a week, because our business needs us both. We don't get any benefits.

I just think its ridiculous to equate full time mom as a "real job" it is nowhere near employment. I've done both, and stay at home is a darn site easier.

Just as Anne's words were a poor choice, so were Hilary's. She should have said Anne had never been employed.

But, if you are going to insist its a "real job" then it ought to count towards the employment part of benefits. Then some folks will just keep having kids with random men to keep on the dole.

Kasama · #44 Apr 25, '12, 6:52 pm

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You didn't answer the question.

You addressed the question to Luigi Daniele. You must be in a tough business for it to be worse than caring for children. Are you wrestling alligators?

mommamia · #45 Apr 25, '12, 7:21 pm

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You addressed the question to Luigi Daniele. You must be in a tough business for it to be worse than caring for children. Are you wrestling alligators?

Sorry, I'm a scientist.

You quoted the question, I figured you were responding to it.

Most moms I know aren't employed, most of them are smart enough to realize they are lucky. Heck, just getting everyone up, fed, dressed and off to daycare is quite a chore...and that's all before starting work.

As was said, its not that I don't think raising children isn't work, but fail to see how its as much or more work than raising kids AND working outside the home. We aren't talking about either or here ie employment OR children, but doing both.

Anne Romney should just be herself, and stop apologizing for her choices, because many people feel she is making it worse by trying to pretend she has faced the same challenges the poor or middle class parents make.