Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

[wisecath]

Originally Posted by mattyc4

I am sorry, but this is disgusting. You put forth an opinion that has no basis in reality to simply disparage a young gay man who was brutally murdered and tortured. Please cite a trustworthy source if you are going to venture an opinion that is completely contradictory towards all known facts of the case. Furthermore, this post has nothing to do with the OP. It just seems like you wanted to take a potshot at a dead, tortured, gay man.

I am flagging your post.

Your reply isn't surprising but I did not discuss the murder case per se-that is an incidental topic. My main interest to repeat is that if Dan Savage is going to say Matthew Shepard or Harvey Milk (which it wouldn't surprise if he did in that speech to the high school kids), then tell the truth about who both were.

Here's a link where they mildly talk about Matthew Shepard's false accusation http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...s-attacks.html Don't know what the reporter's bias was, but most likely either he or she had pro-gay bias or the editor mildly wrote about it so as not to insult a dead man. they said he 'dropped the complaint' when again, it's the cops who decide whether to pursue or drop a charge. This was not made up by me. It's gay groups including Dan Savage who have martyrised Matthew Shepard. Since this has happened, let's be honest and talk about who he was. Another reliable source to repeat is Michael Glatze who was former editor of Young Gay America & who knew Shepard family before becoming a Christian.. Discussing Matthew Shepard is relevant to the post because it would not surprise me if Dan Savage in the speech discussed Matthew Shepard and Harvey B. Milk-we only know part of what he said in the news and there maybe more. Why is it disgusting to tell the truth about who Matthew Shepard & Harvey B. Milk were Since Dan Savage was talking about bullying, then it is possible that he did talk about Matthew Shepard which is why what I wrote is relevant & they are facts not opinions.

[TarkanAttila]

Originally Posted by ringil

Well, that's consistent! BRAVO!

I would rather keep religion out of the official public realm in the US but I respect your philosophical integrity.

I imagine you have your reasons for wanting this. And that you've already posted them dozens of times.

My reasons for wanting religion, be it deism, Islam, atheism, Christianity, or paganism, in the public square is basically so the idea of each religion can sort of bounce around in society. It's far easier to preach the Gospel and make disciples in a society where ALL religious expression is allowed publicly than where none is.

If I didn't already know where blending Christianity with other religions has gotten us, I'd also have had some interest in that. But somehow New Age and Zen Christianity hasn't quite worked out as well as I'd hoped... nonetheless, it would be interesting to experiment with Christianity and non-Christian religions the way the early Christian missionaries to pagan Europe did. Bring Christ to pagans while allowing them to retain some of their pagan elements and whatnot.

Another thing: to quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall (who was speaking for Voltaire): "I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it". I know he wasn't exactly right with the Roman Catholic Church. But I know the RCC defends the right to freedom of religion. And I for one, obviously as long as it does not violate natural law, would stand up for a person's right to practise and believe as he wishes.

[TarkanAttila]

Originally Posted by mattyc4

I am sorry, but this is disgusting. You put forth an opinion that has no basis in reality to simply disparage a young gay man who was brutally murdered and tortured. Please cite a trustworthy source if you are going to venture an opinion that is completely contradictory towards all known facts of the case. Furthermore, this post has nothing to do with the OP. It just seems like you wanted to take a potshot at a dead, tortured, gay man.

I am flagging your post.

Pleas cite a trustworthy and unbiased (i.e, not flamingly liberal) source that claims that this boy was gay - not just homosexual, but gay. Claiming someone is gay - that is, takes on the politico-social identity of someone who is a sodomizer and who believes that sodomy is completely normal and ought to be - is tantamount to libel in these parts unless it's true.

Wisecath4 appeared to be laying out the kinds of destructive things this Shepard boy did during his life. I don't think he was attempting to say his murder was at all justified, or that attacking gays or homosexuals is justified.

[pnewton]

Our efforts at preventing bullying are terrible, most probably because they are driven by an agenda like this man has to make homosexuality more accepting. Yet this approach is not working. It is having the opposite effect. Homosexuality is more and more accepted. More states allow homosexual marriage. More schools teach homosexuality as a acceptable alternative. And at the same time teen suicide increases at a record rate.

Normalizing sin does not silence God in speaking to the conscience of sinners. All we are succeeding in doing is leaving young people in a hopeless state of guilt. Speakers like this try to tell us that there is no guilt, but God's voice is louder. Worse still, the only truly Good News, and the only way to truly deal with the root of guilt is no longer allowed in our schools.

[wisecath]

Originally Posted by TarkanAttila

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Wisecath4 appeared to be laying out the kinds of destructive things this Shepard boy did during his life. I don't think he was attempting to say his murder was at all justified, or that attacking gays or homosexuals is justified.

Thanks for thoughts & his killing is of minor interest to me but rather who Metthew Shepard was & his recklessness in the last year of life which to repeat were being promiscuous after he thought he had AIDS, using Ecstasy, drunkardism, assault & battery on a bartender whom he falsely accused of crime. If Dan Savage wants to honor him, then it's his right to do so, but be honest & discuss who both Shepard & Milk were. That's what I've been saying. Killing a person is a serious matter-legal system decides if murder case is 1st, 2nd & Manslaughter. It's not worth to be a convicted felon & spend many years if not rest of life in prison for killing a person even if the victim was reckless & victimised others as both Mw Shepard & Harvey Bernard Milk did.

If a man with a Venereal Disease were to have sex with women after knowing he was sick with this, many people would say the straight man was despicable & if he 1 day were killed the same way as Shepard & Milk were, many of the same people who held vigils for Shepard would not sympathise with the straight man by saying how disgusting he was. I don't think Dan Savage would sympathise with him. But Dan Savage wants us to honor 2 homosexuals-Harvey B. Milk who committed statutory rape on an underage boy in 1964 for whom a movie starring Sean Penn was made in 2008 & Matthew W. Shepard for whom the Laramie Project has been made. With Harvey B. Milk, in California, they're honoring this homosexual stautory rapist. Dan Savage has also been vicious in his attacks on Republican Presidential Candidate Rick Santorum. Way to repeat to deal with Dan Savage is not to censor him but bring out the facts of 2 homosexuals he and other homosexual/lesbian activists martyr.

[Bubba Switzler]

A few years ago, beauty queen Carrie Prejean innocently answered a question about gay marriage with a polite 'no.' She was viciously personally attacked by Miss USA pageant judge Perez Hilton, who posted a video of himself cursing at her.

Prejean was eventually stripped of her crown, and as for Perez Hilton? 'I'd love to have him back,' pageant owner Donald Trump once said. 'I mean, I'd love to have him back' -- although he didn't actually do it.

That was a seminal moment for American culture wars. Nobody could protect Prejean, while Hilton suffered no visible consequences for his grotesque violation of civilized norms of behavior.

That, of course, was in the entertainment business.

Still, we should not be that surprised that just three years later, sex columnist Dan Savage used an invitation to address a high school journalists conference to curse and swear at students who hold to traditional views of Christianity.

http://townhall.com/columnists/maggi...carrie_prejean

[wisecath]

Originally Posted by Bubba Switzler

http://townhall.com/columnists/maggi...carrie_prejean

& the attacks on Carrie M. Prejean continued long afterwards. What's sad is how homosexuality/lesbianism has become so ideologised that if you give opposing view, you're condemned as Prejean was. What's even worse is Gender Dysphoria where Miss Universe wants to put a maimed transexual. Transexuality is even worse as it involves those sexually mutilated. Miss USA is associated with Miss Universe. Unsure why Donald J. Trump isn't bothered by having a fake version of a woman being in Miss Universe contest. Dan Savage is probably hostile to repair therapy for gays/lesbians who want to be straight or celibate, but he probably is an apologist for sex change mutilations.

As it's about Dan Savage, he has expelled people such as from Elmhurst College when opposing things were asked him. If any of the youths had told Dan Savage about who Mw Shepard was before he was killed, Dan Savage may have cursed or he may have asked security to remove youths who asked tough questions. As said, before Metthew Shepard was killed in October 1998, even his friends said he was moody and treated people poorly, which again includes him committing assault&battery on Cody bartender & then making up story of being homosexually gang raped the next day. Yet after he was beaten into coma by 2 men in October 1998 dying a few days later, people who did not know him did vigils for him & seemed to fall in love with some1 who again, even his own friends said was reckless & self-centered.

[TarkanAttila]

Originally Posted by wisecath

Yet after he was beaten into coma by 2 men in October 1998 dying a few days later, people who did not know him did vigils for him & seemed to fall in love with some1 who again, even his own friends said was reckless & self-centered.

Actually, that seems like the sort of person the current culture would champion: self-centred, spoiled, whiny, brats. That's what most gays seem to come off as: whiny toddlers throwing temper tantrums.