Transgender child - Page 2

medaroge · #16 May 7, '12, 3:57 pm

Just curious, lots of parents feel it is not supportive and/or in the child/adults best interest to house them indefinitely. There are many situations where it is beneficial and many that it is not,

Serap · #17 May 7, '12, 4:15 pm

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Just curious, lots of parents feel it is not supportive and/or in the child/adults best interest to house them indefinitely. There are many situations where it is beneficial and many that it is not,

yeah you're right. in today's age, i think of 21 as being an older teenager almost. it takes so long to get a decent job and make enough money to be independent these days.

wondering though...how did this girl get the money for her surgery? she must have a good job with insurance (unless she's Canadian). I didn't check where OP is from.

sadiebelle · #18 Jun 3, '12, 5:35 pm

Love him. That's the only advice to give. Love him. Call him by his new name. Refer to him as son. Explain to the younger kids what is happening, and let them know that he is still a beloved family member who is to be loved and respected as always--no matter what his name is or how he appears on the outside.

KerryA02 · #19 Jun 10, '12, 8:09 pm

It's just testosterone. Everybody already has testosterone in them. She just wants a bigger dose so she can develop some masculine features. It's not that big of a problem. It will be uncomfortable for a while as you switch from thinking of "her" to thinking of him, but that's how life is. Sometimes we make mistakes about gender when a child is born. We assume that because it has one set of genitals that it must be a certain sex. It's very rare, but every now and then somebody is born with a conflicted body and mind. Why make yourself or your son suffer by fighting a medical condition that can't be changed?

TheRealJuliane · #20 Jun 11, '12, 10:28 am

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It's just testosterone. Everybody already has testosterone in them. She just wants a bigger dose so she can develop some masculine features. It's not that big of a problem. It will be uncomfortable for a while as you switch from thinking of "her" to thinking of him, but that's how life is. Sometimes we make mistakes about gender when a child is born. We assume that because it has one set of genitals that it must be a certain sex. It's very rare, but every now and then somebody is born with a conflicted body and mind. Why make yourself or your son suffer by fighting a medical condition that can't be changed?

Did you join the site to become an apologist for sex change operations? "That's how life is?" That is not how I would approach this problem at all. No one really knows what is going on with people who say they believe they are the opposite gender from their body. We don't know if it's a mental problem, an emotional problem, brain damage, etc. We just don't know. We do know that performing surgery on these people is a permanent change that may not solve their problems. There are plenty of these folks who, having had the operation and taken the hormones that are supposed to fix their problems, find that they are still not happy. Some of them take their own lives at that point. It is a real problem and one that is not just "how life is."

Viviphilia · #21 Jun 11, '12, 12:54 pm

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No one really knows what is going on with people who say they believe they are the opposite gender from their body. We don't know if it's a mental problem, an emotional problem, brain damage, etc. We just don't know.

While you might not know what is going on in the minds of transgender folks, some people, including some transgender folks and some researchers, do know what is going on in their heads. Why try to tell us that we don't know what is going on?

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We do know that performing surgery on these people is a permanent change that may not solve their problems. There are plenty of these folks who, having had the operation and taken the hormones that are supposed to fix their problems, find that they are still not happy. Some of them take their own lives at that point. It is a real problem and one that is not just "how life is."

The success rates of transition therapy and even the most extreme gender therapy - sex correction surgery - are very high.

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Arch Sex Behav. 2003 Aug;32(4):299-315.
Factors associated with satisfaction or regret following male-to-female sex reassignment surgery.
Lawrence AA.

This study examined factors associated with satisfaction or regret following sex reassignment surgery (SRS) in 232 male-to-female transsexuals operated on between 1994 and 2000 by one surgeon using a consistent technique. Participants, all of whom were at least 1-year postoperative, completed a written questionnaire concerning their experiences and attitudes. Participants reported overwhelmingly that they were happy with their SRS results and that SRS had greatly improved the quality of their lives. None reported outright regret and only a few expressed even occasional regret. Dissatisfaction was most strongly associated with unsatisfactory physical and functional results of surgery. Most indicators of transsexual typology, such as age at surgery, previous marriage or parenthood, and sexual orientation, were not significantly associated with subjective outcomes. Compliance with minimum eligibility requirements for SRS specified by the Harry Benjamin International Gender Dysphoria Association was not associated with more favorable subjective outcomes. The physical results of SRS may be more important than preoperative factors such as transsexual typology or compliance with established treatment regimens in predicting postoperative satisfaction or regret.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892

As with any surgery, the satisfaction depends on how successful the surgery is, which in this case happens to be the vast majority of the time.

These results show clearly that sex correction surgery is justified under the Catechism, item 2297:

"Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reason, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law."

TheRealJuliane · #22 Jun 11, '12, 1:20 pm

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While you might not know what is going on in the minds of transgender folks, some people, including some transgender folks and some researchers, do know what is going on in their heads. Why try to tell us that we don't know what is going on?

The success rates of transition therapy and even the most extreme gender therapy - sex correction surgery - are very high.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892

As with any surgery, the satisfaction depends on how successful the surgery is, which in this case happens to be the vast majority of the time.

These results show clearly that sex correction surgery is justified under the Catechism, item 2297:

"Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reason, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law."

One study does not "show clearly that sex correction surgery is justified under the Catechism."

A different study

From the page: Mortality from suicide was strikingly high among sex-reassigned persons, also after adjustment for prior psychiatric morbidity. In line with this, sex-reassigned persons were at increased risk for suicide attempts. Previous reports [6], [8], [10], [11] suggest that transsexualism is a strong risk factor for suicide, also after sex reassignment, and our long-term findings support the need for continued psychiatric follow-up for persons at risk to prevent this.

If it works so well, why do so many sex-reassigned people attempt to or succeed in killing themselves?

TheRealJuliane · #23 Jun 11, '12, 1:31 pm

Here is another viewpoint, from the inside of this issue.

Sex Change Regret

Read this section.

About Dr. Money and "Treatment"

Viviphilia · #24 Jun 11, '12, 2:12 pm

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One study does not "show clearly that sex correction surgery is justified under the Catechism."

There certainly is a need for more studies.

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A different study

From the page: Mortality from suicide was strikingly high among sex-reassigned persons, also after adjustment for prior psychiatric morbidity. In line with this, sex-reassigned persons were at increased risk for suicide attempts. Previous reports [6], [8], [10], [11] suggest that transsexualism is a strong risk factor for suicide, also after sex reassignment, and our long-term findings support the need for continued psychiatric follow-up for persons at risk to prevent this.

If it works so well, why do so many sex-reassigned people attempt to or succeed in killing themselves?

The answer to your question is right there in the quote - "transsexualism is a strong risk factor for suicide, also after sex reassignment..."

Of course post-op trans people have higher rates of suicide when compared with the normal population. That's because transsexuals begin with astronomically high suicide rates even before surgery.

Also included in the study you linked to was this important statement:

"In accordance, the overall mortality rate was only significantly increased for the group operated before 1989. However, the latter might also be explained by improved health care for transsexual persons during 1990s, along with altered societal attitudes towards persons with different gender expressions."

It would have been nice if they had divided the data by time period, given that they admit to seeing very different conclusions based on the different periods. That study was from 1973 to 2003. The above statement suggests that with more recent data, we would continue to see a decline in suicidality of transgender people receiving sex correction surgery. That's because society is more tolerant of transsexuality and transsexuals are less frequently driven to suicide.

While I can see that for some people the data might not be clear, in my opinion, all the signs I see are pointing to the conclusion that sex corrective surgery is a valid and successful medical therapy which should be supported by the Church.

TheRealJuliane · #25 Jun 11, '12, 2:17 pm

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Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

Here is another viewpoint, from the inside of this issue.

Sex Change Regret

Read this section.

About Dr. Money and "Treatment"

Read this website, please.

Viviphilia · #26 Jun 11, '12, 2:41 pm

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Read this website, please.

What about it?

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Walt Heyer was never transgender, yet underwent SRS. Distraught that he was approved for surgery, he hopes to make the psychological community stop SRS.

Walt has a unique circumstance. Walt was eventually diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder, archaically called multiple personality disorder. One of his identities happened to be a woman and that identity gradually came into dominance. Not realizing this, he interpreted his feelings as transexual and had SRS...

...His story is not one of being transgender but of having a dissociative disorder. Walt was not transgender. So while God may have healed him from that disorder, it does not give insight about people who are transgender.

http://www.transchristians.org/people/walt-heyer

TheRealJuliane · #27 Jun 13, '12, 2:15 pm

Most psychiatrists state that "multiple personality disorder" does not exist.

Walt Heyer describes his life as a male to female conversion. And states that it did not help him, and does not help many very confused people. In fact it causes damage to otherwise very normal sexual appendages.

Viviphilia · #28 Jun 13, '12, 5:11 pm

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Most psychiatrists state that "multiple personality disorder" does not exist.

2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 300.14
Dissociative identity disorder

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Walt Heyer describes his life as a male to female conversion. And states that it did not help him, and does not help many very confused people. In fact it causes damage to otherwise very normal sexual appendages.

Here are his words, from one of the books he is peddling on his website:

". . . a treatment for a disorder [gender identity disorder] I didn't have. I wasn't a man trapped in a woman's body. I was an alcoholic with dissociative disorder." (Trading My Sorrows, p118.)

HouseArrest · #29 Jun 15, '12, 8:36 pm

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2012 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code 300.14
Dissociative identity disorder

Here are his words, from one of the books he is peddling on his website:

". . . a treatment for a disorder [gender identity disorder] I didn't have. I wasn't a man trapped in a woman's body. I was an alcoholic with dissociative disorder." (Trading My Sorrows, p118.)

Could it be that many people to believe they are transgender are in fact suffering from something different?

(I don't know much about this. Just a question.)

OP, I will pray for you. I suppose if it were me, I would try to convince my daughter to take a deep breath and give herself a waiting period before proceeding. In that time get her some counseling.

Viviphilia · #30 Jun 15, '12, 11:16 pm

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Could it be that many people to believe they are transgender are in fact suffering from something different?

(I don't know much about this. Just a question.)

OP, I will pray for you. I suppose if it were me, I would try to convince my daughter to take a deep breath and give herself a waiting period before proceeding. In that time get her some counseling.

There are a variety of conditions which lead to people transgendering. Some intersex conditions lead to transitioning. Some things which appear to skeptics to be mental conditions also lead to transitioning. The latter group consistently report that it is not there mind that is flawed, but their body - not that they have "the wrong body" but merely that something is wrong. When I realized that testosterone was a poison to me, I started chemically blocking it and I wonder if it is saving my life due to the dramatic reduction in symptoms of gender dissonance.