Why do some Catholics support legal abortion? - Page 21

**Bookcat** · #**301** May 1, '12, 7:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Adolphus WC

I agree, but our technology as it stands it is possible, although unlikely to keep a 23 week old fetus alive outside the womb. Did you look at the link? It's about premature births.

Such has absolutely nothing to do with if he is human or not! Or if you can intentionally kill him or not!!!

Adolphus WC · #**302** May 1, '12, 7:08 pm

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Originally Posted by TEPO

I'd like you ask you an honest question if you don't mind.

The human race is defined by our constant drive to influence others... We spend our entire lives influencing and being influenced. The new ideology of Tolerance on the other hand tells us that this is wrongful. I'd really like to know why humans should resist their natural desire to influence others. I must know.

We are tribal in nature. Our politics and religions put us in "in" groups and "out" groups. I don't think that we will advance as a species until we realize that our "tribe" is the human race, not any one creed, religion or race. Tolerance is the first step. We acknowledge that there are differences and they are strongly held as our own. We have to figure out how to get along so we can work toward the common goal of the betterment of all people.

I have a lot of homosexuals in the area I live in. Most are coupled off and have kids. They are great neighbors, love their kids etc. I could focus on the sinfulness of their lives or I can reap the benefits of embracing a couple that shares common goals and wants a good life for their kids, like I want for my own. Life is too short and wonderful to focus on the negative.

Adolphus WC · #**303** May 1, '12, 7:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Bookcat

Such has absolutely nothing to do with if he is human or not! Or if you can intentionally kill him or not!!!

It is about who "owns" the womb. The woman or the fetus. When the fetus becomes viable he can be evicted and still have a life.

**Bookcat** · #**304** May 1, '12, 7:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Adolphus WC

It is about who "owns" the womb. The woman or the fetus...

No- it is about a living Child being cared for by his Mother.

Charlemagne II · #**305** May 1, '12, 7:22 pm

Adolphus

I have a lot of homosexuals in the area I live in. Most are coupled off and have kids. They are great neighbors, love their kids etc. I could focus on the sinfulness of their lives or I can reap the benefits of embracing a couple that shares common goals and wants a good life for their kids, like I want for my own. Life is too short and wonderful to focus on the negative.

Then of course you won't mind if polygamy is tolerated, and incestuous marriages between parents and children, brothers and sisters, is tolerated.

This principle of tolerating everything was inevitable once abortion was tolerated as legal. Sodomy was then tolerated and even now is encouraged and celebrated with marital rites.

The downward spiral is completely visible to all, but heaven forbid we should think life is too short to focus on the negative ... rather, let's have a screaming good laugh as we slide down the moral ramp into the mouth of Satan.

Charlemagne II · #**306** May 1, '12, 7:24 pm

Adolphus

It is about who "owns" the womb. The woman or the fetus.

No, it's about who owns the fetus. The mother or the fetus.

Rence · #**307** May 1, '12, 7:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Bookcat

Catholics are to attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Unless of course there is a good reason they cannot or are dispensed.

Catechism:

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

That still doesn't make it "evil"...

Rence · #**308** May 1, '12, 7:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Bookcat

Nope there is not right to evil. They have the ability to do evil but not the right.

Just as I have the ability to date someone who is not my wife (and sin gravely thereby) but I do not have the right to do so. I am married.

Well, if you're claiming that it's evil to skip Mass, then yeah, they have the right and the ability.

Adolphus WC · #**309** May 1, '12, 7:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Charlemagne II

Adolphus

I have a lot of homosexuals in the area I live in. Most are coupled off and have kids. They are great neighbors, love their kids etc. I could focus on the sinfulness of their lives or I can reap the benefits of embracing a couple that shares common goals and wants a good life for their kids, like I want for my own. Life is too short and wonderful to focus on the negative.

Then of course you won't mind if polygamy is tolerated, and incestuous marriages between parents and children, brothers and sisters, is tolerated.

This principle of tolerating everything was inevitable once abortion was tolerated as legal. Sodomy was then tolerated and even now is encouraged and celebrated with marital rites.

The downward spiral is completely visible to all, but heaven forbid we should think life is too short to focus on the negative ... rather, let's have a screaming good laugh as we slide down the moral ramp into the mouth of Satan.

You forgot bestiality and pedophilia. If your gonna go down the slippery slope go all the way.

**edwest2** · #**310** May 1, '12, 8:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Adolphus WC

We are tribal in nature. Our politics and religions put us in "in" groups and "out" groups. I don't think that we will advance as a species until we realize that our "tribe" is the human race, not any one creed, religion or race. Tolerance is the first step. We acknowledge that there are differences and they are strongly held as our own. We have to figure out how to get along so we can work toward the common goal of the betterment of all people.

I have a lot of homosexuals in the area I live in. Most are coupled off and have kids. They are great neighbors, love their kids etc. I could focus on the sinfulness of their lives or I can reap the benefits of embracing a couple that shares common goals and wants a good life for their kids, like I want for my own. Life is too short and wonderful to focus on the negative.

Tribal? We, meaning all of us, as human beings, need to be taught right from wrong. It's very simple.

The truth is positive. Deviating from the truth means separation occurs. As a Catholic, I don't know or care which of my neighbors are homosexual. Once again, homosexuals, as a group, are forcing others to conform to their expectations. I had no problems with the gays, lesbians and bisexuals I worked with. When I dated a former bisexual, she was not asked her sexual orientation as we entered Church.

All of us fall short. None of us is perfect. But even in the media, we are being invited to tolerate almost anything. Dexter - that lovable serial killer next door. What's next? The friendly family of cannibals?

The primary mission of the Catholic Church is to preach the Gospel to all nations. Jesus Christ is God.

Peace,
Ed

**Mickey** · #**311** May 1, '12, 8:20 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9vQt...layer_embedded

**Bookcat** · #**312** May 1, '12, 9:12 pm

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Originally Posted by Rence

That still doesn't make it "evil"...

Grave sin is yes evil.

**Bookcat** · #**313** May 1, '12, 9:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Rence

Well, if you're claiming that it's evil to skip Mass, then yeah, they have the right and the ability.

No they do not have the right to commit grave sin.

The misunderstanding is the term right.

Having a right to something implies that it is a good.

The confusion is with "free will". A person has the ability to do so. To choose good or to choose evil.

Kathryn Ann · #**314** May 1, '12, 9:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Charlemagne II

Would these same Catholics also support legal bank robbing, or legal lynching, or even legal perjury?

How are they Catholics? They may call themselves Catholics, but if they are not in unison with the teachings of The Church, especially on a subject so obviously a part of our faith such as the Church's long held teaching against abortion, they are not, in fact, Catholics. Identifying oneself with any group, while opposing its very tenets, disproves the self-identification.
There is no one forcing them to be Catholics in truth. Each person may choose his or her own beliefs. But those who are Catholics hold to the tenets of Holy Church.

**Bookcat** · #**315** May 1, '12, 9:40 pm

Speaking of rights:

Catechism:

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

.....no matter how young or how small....be it 1 week...or 23 weeks or 1 second old.