Gallup: Catholic vote a tossup, 46/46 - Page 4

1voice · #46 May 3, '12, 3:10 pm

Originally Posted by 1voice
The Catholic Church has no standing?

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Originally Posted by Rich Olszewski

Regarding criminal matters, correct.

Im not focused on the criminal aspect or a legal proceeding here ... I understand that logic.

What I'm getting at is... Do you think that the Roe vs Wade decision (the law of the land regarding abortion and the definition of life) is right ...
or do you believe that the tenets (laws) of the Catholic Church (regarding abortion and the definition of life) are right ?

**Ridgerunner** · #47 May 3, '12, 3:48 pm

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Originally Posted by ringil

Affiliation with the GOP tends to come with a raise in income which often coincides with age.

If one is wealthy and primarily focussed on maximizing and retaining their income it would certainly make sense to vote GOP.

Not necessarily so. There are plenty of people who vote Repub who are not wealthy or focused on maximizing and retaining income. That's just a DNC talking point.

Some are primarily focused on this administration's support for abortion and attacks on religion, particularly the ones against the Catholic Church. No Catholic, rich, poor or in the middle, should even imagine voting for Obama in November. Some will, of course, and we know that.

Some, of whatever religion, of course are focused on the destruction Obama has caused and threatens to the economy. And rightly so.

But, if one believes in crony capitalism and cares nothing about the teachings of the Catholic Church, one would be inclined to vote for Obama. I recognize that.

Leaving now, folks. Shoot me in the back if it pleases you to do so.

ringil · #48 May 3, '12, 6:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

Not necessarily so. There are plenty of people who vote Repub who are not wealthy or focused on maximizing and retaining income. That's just a DNC talking point.

Some are primarily focused on this administration's support for abortion and attacks on religion, particularly the ones against the Catholic Church. No Catholic, rich, poor or in the middle, should even imagine voting for Obama in November. Some will, of course, and we know that.

Some, of whatever religion, of course are focused on the destruction Obama has caused and threatens to the economy. And rightly so.

But, if one believes in crony capitalism and cares nothing about the teachings of the Catholic Church, one would be inclined to vote for Obama. I recognize that.

Leaving now, folks. Shoot me in the back if it pleases you to do so.

I was responding to a post regarding how kids grow up and become Conservative. I am speaking to one very real demographic of the GOP.

**Ridgerunner** · #49 May 4, '12, 5:50 am

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Originally Posted by ringil

I was responding to a post regarding how kids grow up and become Conservative. I am speaking to one very real demographic of the GOP.

But is it a real demographic, or just a political stereotype? Is it any more instructive than an old saw my Irish forebears used to repeat; that as soon as an Irishman gets enough money in his pocket, he becomes an Englishman?

One may think about it another way and, in the absence of any real evidence, say it's just as true; that those who squander the fruits of their own labor vote Democrat in order to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor?

Perhaps in the course of these discussions, someone will come up with some real foundational information.

But none has been tendered so far.

qui est ce · #50 May 4, '12, 6:49 am

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Originally Posted by ringil

I was responding to a post regarding how kids grow up and become Conservative. I am speaking to one very real demographic of the GOP.

Except that Obama has many very wealthy Wall Street people in his pockets. In addition, he's got GM, George Soros, Michael Moore and Hollywood, Steve and Melinda Gates...

The Democrats have become the party of the super-wealthy.

Rich Olszewski · #51 May 4, '12, 7:06 am

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Originally Posted by Ridgerunner

I don't know anything about the Arkansas Code, but most definitions of "murder" in most criminal codes would, under their terms, include abortion. It's only because of Roe vs. Wade and following abortion cases that the states are precluded from considering abortion "murder" along with other intentional killing of another human being.

Just so. In this state, abortion is the exception to "murder."

Rich Olszewski · #52 May 4, '12, 7:07 am

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Originally Posted by qui est ce

The Democrats have become the party of the super-wealthy.

Then, how did I miss out??

Rich Olszewski · #53 May 4, '12, 7:12 am

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Originally Posted by 1voice

Do you think that the Roe vs Wade decision (the law of the land regarding abortion and the definition of life) is right

Even some liberal law professors and attorneys consider it a poorly reasoned decision. I agree with them. Better that Roe is overturned and the states be given the right to make abortion legal or illegal within their boundaries.

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or do you believe that the tenets (laws) of the Catholic Church (regarding abortion and the definition of life) are right ?

More like teachings than laws, I think. But, I do agree that abortion is wrong.

scipio337 · #54 May 4, '12, 7:24 am

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Originally Posted by Rich Olszewski

Then, how did I miss out??

Try running for Congress.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/over...ilter=S&sort=D

qui est ce · #55 May 4, '12, 7:56 am

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Originally Posted by Rich Olszewski

Then, how did I miss out??

Same way I missed out on the Republicans being the party of the wealthy.

Rich Olszewski · #56 May 4, '12, 7:59 am

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Originally Posted by qui est ce

Same way I missed out on the Republicans being the party of the wealthy.

**JimG** · #57 May 4, '12, 9:02 am

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Originally Posted by 1voice

Originally Posted by 1voice
The Catholic Church has no standing?

Im not focused on the criminal aspect or a legal proceeding here ... I understand that logic.

What I'm getting at is... Do you think that the Roe vs Wade decision (the law of the land regarding abortion and the definition of life) is right ...
or do you believe that the tenets (laws) of the Catholic Church (regarding abortion and the definition of life) are right ?

If I recall correctly, Roe v. Wade specifically declined to address the issue of when human life begins, even though it was perfectly obvious even back then that a new human being had its beginning at conception. They majority opinion simply ignored that fact.

And the rest of the decision, along with its companion decision Doe v Bolton, conferred on the U.S. the most liberal abortion law in the Western world. All one had to do to obtain an abortion even up to birth, was to claim a threat to health. And Doe made clear that health could mean anything--even including adverse family circumstances.

I remember readig the decision at the time and thinking, "this makes no sense." But it wasn't until later that I realized the enormous social consequences that had been unleashed with this decision granting virtual abortion on demand.

Luigi Daniele · #58 May 4, '12, 11:20 am

Among registered voters, ie, Romney is leading by probably 7-8 points among likely voters

Rich Olszewski · #59 May 4, '12, 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by irishpatrick

Something like 75% of all USA billionaires are Democrats, but let us not let facts get in the way.

Of all the top names of the wealthy that one can think of, most are Democrats, yet again, let us not let facts get in the way.

So what? I thought it was you people who admired the wealthy, and were comfortable with billionaires. Or has your tune changed and now you're ready to take away their money and distribute it "more fairly"?

mary bobo · #60 May 4, '12, 1:14 pm

This was sent to me by my sister. I have never seen anything like this. IMO it is powerful.

Subject: Incredible ad by the Catholic Church

I don’t think I have ever seen the Catholic church, or any other Christian church, come out so strongly against a president, even without ever mentioning his name you know who they want replaced. He well deserves it, as Obama attacking all religions and trying to force the government to dictate policies for the churches makes me very upset as well. It also angers me when people like Harry & Pelosi try to act like St. Nancy in support of all the policies, no matter what they are, in support of the Almighty Obama. What comes next comes: let’s have "one religion" run by the federal government? Jan

You don't have to be Catholic to appreciate this ad... If we all stand up for our rights and our values of God we can vote a positive change into this Government.

Whatever denomination we are - one thing unites us: our belief in God!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd=