Very Uncomfortable Mass; Liturgical Abuse?

[Brooklyn]

GIRM #160:

160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.

The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.

When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood.

As you can see, the Mass you attended was illicit. Illicit means it was against the rubrics. It was not invalid, which would mean there was no consecration of the Eucharist.

As someone else posted, you are probably guilty of at most a venial sin because you felt pressure to conform. This is not something you wanted to do. But I agree, you should report this.

[triumphguy]

Report it to who?

The Jesuits charism is evangelization, missionary work, education, not liturgy. they work by inculturation. Wherever they work they dress, live and eat as the local people. Their job is not to present the Roman point of view, but to work with the people where they are at.

The Jesuits are answerable directly to the Pope.

They are the Vatican's Storm Troopers.

They are different from other orders. The way they live, pray and work are different.

If I was the OP I would just feel privileged to be invited to the Supper of the Lord with them in their house.

[billy15]

Actually, the priests there were wearing civilian clothing. The celebrating priest simply wore a very colorful stole while celebrating mass, and I do admit he was very friendly during and outside of Mass.

But seeing as they are answerable directly to the Pope, then it would follow they are to follow the Canon Laws and the parts of the GRIM that were linked here by the other posters, as the Jesuits are an order of the Latin Rite, correct? I know they are different from other orders, but even they should not be able to disregard the norms that were approved by the Holy Father. If the way they pray is different, are there any sources I could see that would explain how they could possibly ignore or change some of these rules posted previously in this topic?

Again, thank you to all for the provided links, information, and comforting words. It's much appreciated.

[Kevin812]

This sounds like a Conventual Mass............. you really, really should talk with the good Jesuit first and not panic.

As to the known facts, it sounds like it was licit and valid mass.

You did know it was a Jesuit??????

[Kevin812]

Originally Posted by billy15

Actually, the priests there were wearing civilian clothing. The celebrating priest simply wore a very colorful stole while celebrating mass, and I do admit he was very friendly during and outside of Mass.

But seeing as they are answerable directly to the Pope, then it would follow they are to follow the Canon Laws and the parts of the GRIM that were linked here by the other posters, as the Jesuits are an order of the Latin Rite, correct? I know they are different from other orders, but even they should not be able to disregard the norms that were approved by the Holy Father. If the way they pray is different, are there any sources I could see that would explain how they could possibly ignore or change some of these rules posted previously in this topic?

Again, thank you to all for the provided links, information, and comforting words. It's much appreciated.

The good Jesuits are exempt from most of Canon law and in their own houses are not bound or governed by the GIRM --- they would default to the norms for Jesuits.

[Inquiringperson]

Originally Posted by japhy

Before you write to bishops and superiors, I think it would be best to write to the priest (or to the director of that particular Jesuit house) to ask for some clarification or explanation on the issues that surprised you.

Along with Japhy's advice, in the letter (since this priest is a Jesuit), ask if the Jesuits have any indults or instructions from the Vatican allowing changes in the Instructions.

[superamazingman]

Originally Posted by Kevin812

The good Jesuits are exempt from most of Canon law and in their own houses are not bound or governed by the GIRM --- they would default to the norms for Jesuits.

Is that so? I find it hard to believe that they're exempt from most of canon law, even if they act like it.

The jesuits have been known for being disobedient from the rubrics.

[PacoG]

Originally Posted by billy15

This past Friday evening, I had attended a small mass at a Jesuit home. About 10 people were present, and the chapel itself was extremely small. All ten people sat around the "altar" and priest, which was very tiny table. I was first off uncomfortable when a Jesuit seminarian read the Gospel, and gave the homily. There was no visible blessing by the priest, so I wonder if that was allowed..

Are you sure that the seminarian was not a deacon?

[Melchior_]

Well, for starters, DO NOT contact the local Bishop. It'll be an exercise in frustration, as the Jesuits are exempt religious. What happens in their home is outside the reach of a diocesan Bishop.

I second the suggestion of talking to the Priest first, expressing your concerns. No need to jump up the chain of command right away. For all we know the Seminarian was a Deacon.

Finally; did you all know a Jesuit was on Vox Clara? That's right, a Jesuit helped bring in the new Mass translations. Just wanted to share this quality example of a Jesuit doing something good, because apparently several folks around here think they're all liberals or heterodox.

[Luna Lovecraft]

Originally Posted by triumphguy

Report it to who?

The Jesuits charism is evangelization, missionary work, education, not liturgy. they work by inculturation. Wherever they work they dress, live and eat as the local people. Their job is not to present the Roman point of view, but to work with the people where they are at.

The Jesuits are answerable directly to the Pope.

They are the Vatican's Storm Troopers.

They are different from other orders. The way they live, pray and work are different.

If I was the OP I would just feel privileged to be invited to the Supper of the Lord with them in their house.

[ImmaculataFides]

Originally Posted by triumphguy

Report it to who?

The Jesuits charism is evangelization, missionary work, education, not liturgy. they work by inculturation. Wherever they work they dress, live and eat as the local people. Their job is not to present the Roman point of view, but to work with the people where they are at.

The Jesuits are answerable directly to the Pope.

They are the Vatican's Storm Troopers.

They are different from other orders. The way they live, pray and work are different.

If I was the OP I would just feel privileged to be invited to the Supper of the Lord with them in their house.

This post is ridiculous. Priests are supposed to be trained how to say the Mass. This typical modernist priest is filling the liturgy with abuses which is blatantly sacrilegious, and makes a mockery of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Jesuits used to be the Vatican's storm troopers. Until they embraced modernism.

Through the Hearts of Jesus and Mary,

ImmaculataFides.

[ImmaculataFides]

Originally Posted by Kevin812

The good Jesuits are exempt from most of Canon law and in their own houses are not bound or governed by the GIRM --- they would default to the norms for Jesuits.

Sorry, but that's rubbish.

[superamazingman]

Originally Posted by triumphguy

Report it to who?

The Jesuits charism is evangelization, missionary work, education, not liturgy. they work by inculturation. Wherever they work they dress, live and eat as the local people. Their job is not to present the Roman point of view, but to work with the people where they are at.

The Jesuits are answerable directly to the Pope.

They are the Vatican's Storm Troopers.

They are different from other orders. The way they live, pray and work are different.

If I was the OP I would just feel privileged to be invited to the Supper of the Lord with them in their house.

It sure shows that they don't care about the liturgy.

The most important thing a priest does is celebrate Mass. Part of being a vatican storm trooper is celebrating the Mass well. If they don't want to "present the roman point of view" (ie, celebrate the Mass according to the books), then they should have become priests in the ROMAN Catholic church.

If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones.

[mgoforth]

Originally Posted by Kevin812

The good Jesuits are exempt from most of Canon law and in their own houses are not bound or governed by the GIRM --- they would default to the norms for Jesuits.

Huh? I'm no expert, but somehow I doubt this... Please give us some documentation to support this claim or admit that none exists.

I tried searching for "Jesuit exempt canon law" on Google...and the only relevant result that came back was your quote above from this post!

[TheRealJuliane]

Originally Posted by Kevin812

The good Jesuits are exempt from most of Canon law and in their own houses are not bound or governed by the GIRM --- they would default to the norms for Jesuits.

What about the bad Jesuits?