Biden: I'm 'absolutely comfortable' with gay marriage

[Ecoclimber]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-marriage?lite

Vice President Joe Biden on Sunday said that's he's "absolutely comfortable" with married same-sex couples being granted the same rights as heterosexual pairs.

"I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties," he told NBC's David Gregory on "Meet the Press." "And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that." (Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal.)

I believe Obama just lost the election. With the evangelical vote 40% and those Catholics who support the magesterium of the Catholic Church and the call of Catholic Bishops to oppose homosexual unions and Obama's HHS mandate, apparently the Obama administration would rather receive the support of 4% of the population in this issue.

Vice President Biden needs to square his faith with the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

[CatholicBoy1957]

Not necessarily. Some people choose to live in darkness.

New International Version (©1984)
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

[meltzerboy]

Originally Posted by Ecoclimber

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-marriage?lite

Vice President Joe Biden on Sunday said that's he's "absolutely comfortable" with married same-sex couples being granted the same rights as heterosexual pairs.

"I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties," he told NBC's David Gregory on "Meet the Press." "And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that." (Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal.)

I believe Obama just lost the election. With the evangelical vote 40% and those Catholics who support the magesterium of the Catholic Church and the call of Catholic Bishops to oppose homosexual unions and Obama's HHS mandate, apparently the Obama administration would rather receive the support of 4% of the population in this issue.

Vice President Biden needs to square his faith with the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

On the other hand, many people, both Catholics and non-Catholics, choose not to impose their own moral values on others and prefer to live and let live. In case you haven't noticed, the issue of gay civil unions and marriage is not as big a deal as it once was, which is a huge understatement. There was a time when the very topic was not even on the radar screen.

[DoGodsBidding]

And I am absolutely comfortable with not voting for Obama and Biden. Sad to see, this morning Fox News showed that over the last (5) Presidential elections, the Catholic vote was won by Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush and Obama. I will not vote for any candidate who supports abortion and gay marriage. Period.

DGB

[Aelred Minor]

Originally Posted by Ecoclimber

I believe Obama just lost the election. With the evangelical vote 40% and those Catholics who support the magesterium of the Catholic Church and the call of Catholic Bishops to oppose homosexual unions and Obama's HHS mandate, apparently the Obama administration would rather receive the support of 4% of the population in this issue.

How many people who care enough about the issue for it to affect their voting were going to vote for President Obama anyway (not that we know for certain Biden will be his running mate again, as far as I know)?

Vice President Biden needs to square his faith with the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

It's easy to lose track of the rules for the various forums. I recommend reviewing them.

[Lancer]

They said the same thing about Cigarettes...until the public got the truth that cigarettes killed not only the smoker but innocent bystanders...and costs society a fortune in medical expenses.

If marriage and family are destroyed...so will the culture and this society...the issue is not about religious or moral beliefs...its about the common good and our culture/society.

Just like then First Lady Hillary Clinton got it profoundly wrong in her book: It takes a Village...stating that it takes a village to raise a child...even though it sounds so profound, loving and winning...its a deadly mistake...the way she purports it...coupled with gay marriage, abortion on demand...and the hook-up culture...fatherless America...it is deadly wrong.

The simple truth of all mankind and all history: It takes a man and woman in marriage having and rasing children...to make a village...a nation...a sustainable society and a sustainable culture. If you don't believe it...just ask a Roman!

We can either accept God's definition of good and evil...or eat the apple and try to do it our-self...and we know what that got us the last time around....

Pax Christi

[VeritasLuxMea]

Can't believe we spend so much time on this issue. Of all the things to be concerned about, this doesn't even crack my top 1,000.

[_Abyssinia]

A spokesman for the vice president told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that Biden was discussing his personal, evolving opinion of gay marriage. Almost immediately, senior Obama adviser David Axelrod tweeted that Biden’s statement was nothing new and in line with the president’s view on gay marriage:

Chuck Todd @chucktodd VP Biden on @meetthepress indicates he's comfortable with gay marriage. Going farther publicly than POTUS

David Axelrod @davidaxelrod @chucktodd @meetthepress What VP said-that all married couples should have exactly the same legal rights-is precisely POTUS's position.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...y-marriage.php

I think the admin wants to fully endorse same sex marriage but they are not going too because of the African American vote which was instrumental in passing Prop 8 for example, and it will alienate Latino voters.

[Barb3]

I watched Biden on TV this A.M.and heard him mentiont that he wasn't uncomfortable with gay marriage -- I couldn't believe it -- I was pretty sure Biden was a Catholic so to be certain I "googled" him -- he is Catholic!!! He must be "out of his mind". I might add that he should come to San Francisco sometime and perhaps he would have a different opinion of "gays"!!!

[hn160]

The Bishops of the Catholic Church need to crack down Catholic politicians that do not support their doctrines and not look the other way.

[_Abyssinia]

Originally Posted by hn160

The Bishops of the Catholic Church need to crack down Catholic politicians that do not support their doctrines and not look the other way.

Agree.

[Elizabeth502]

in which case, Mr. Vice-President, I am absolutely uncomfortable voting for you. Hopefully, lots of other Catholics will be similarly disposed come November.

meltzerboy, the Catholic Church, the Mormon Church, the Baptist Church, the Lutheran Church, the Presbyterian Church, the Methodist Church, the various branches of Judaism, et al., all have the full First Amendment freedoms of speech and assembly that all non-believers do -- and no less than non-believers have. That means the right to persuade the entire society at large of their points of view -- and whether those viewpoints are in agreement or in disagreement with each other.

That's not "imposing" on anyone. That's their full citizenship -- which includes the right to be a clarion call regarding morals and ethics, and political decisions which reflect those. Jewish groups routinely do this, and they should. It's no different from what Christian groups are allowed constitutionally, and should be allowed.

[gh4]

Ok, call me stupid, or uninformed, but I have NO IDEA that Biden was Catholic. None. How can he and Pelosi remain Catholic if they support so much that is anti-Cathoic? Oy!

[JimG]

Originally Posted by Lancer

They said the same thing about Cigarettes...until the public got the truth that cigarettes killed not only the smoker but innocent bystanders...and costs society a fortune in medical expenses.

If marriage and family are destroyed...so will the culture and this society...the issue is not about religious or moral beliefs...its about the common good and our culture/society.

Just like then First Lady Hillary Clinton got it profoundly wrong in her book: It takes a Village...stating that it takes a village to raise a child...even though it sounds so profound, loving and winning...its a deadly mistake...the way she purports it...coupled with gay marriage, abortion on demand...and the hook-up culture...fatherless America...it is deadly wrong.

The simple truth of all mankind and all history: It takes a man and woman in marriage having and rasing children...to make a village...a nation...a sustainable society and a sustainable culture. If you don't believe it...just ask a Roman!

We can either accept God's definition of good and evil...or eat the apple and try to do it our-self...and we know what that got us the last time around....

Pax Christi

Yes, of course, such issues do go to cultural survival. But... if the populace cared about cultural survival, there would have been widespread objection to the acceptance of artificial contraception and no-fault divorce, which have already moved the process of cultural decline pretty far along.

[MissBorgia]

shaking my darn head!