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Old May 7, '12, 11:01 am
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me and my spousee like to perform oral sex on each other. is that a sin? if not, what about when we do till the climax?
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me and my spousee like to perform oral sex on each other. is that a sin? if not, what about when we do till the climax?
oral sex till climax doesnt sound cool. The marital embrace should be both procreative and unitive, i doubt if oral sex till climax meets that criteria. This topic is usually ''explosive''.
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Old May 7, '12, 11:40 am
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My Jesuit Formation Director said "Whatever happens between a man and wife behind closed doors is non of my business!!"
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The oral stimulation is not a sin, but the climax must be intravaginal.
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me and my spousee like to perform oral sex on each other. is that a sin? if not, what about when we do till the climax?
What does the Church Teach about Oral Sex?

http://bustedhalo.com/features/what-...about-oral-sex
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me and my spousee like to perform oral sex on each other. is that a sin? if not, what about when we do till the climax?


Oral sex on husband done by wife till the climax is wrong.
Oral sex on wife done by husband till the climax is wrong.


Oral stimulation on husband done by wife, in the context of marital act, like foreplay, is okay, I mean without the climax of husband, because it is only a natural step before the union of bodies.

Oral stimulation on wife done by husband, in the context of marital act, like foreplay, is okay. Here, wife can have several orgasms from her intimate organs that are outside, because her nature is different from male. For wife there are different types of orgasms. It is okay because it is a preparation (natural step) before the union of bodies.


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"Each and every sexual act in a marriage needs to be open to the possibility of conceiving a child." (USCCB Catechism, p. 409).

Unnatural sexual acts, such as oral sex, are not open to procreation; they are non-procreative sexual acts, and so they are intrinsically evil, and always gravely immoral.

"The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life. This particular doctrine, often expounded by the magisterium of the Church, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act. " (HV 11-12)

Humanae Vitae teaches that married couples may not separate the unitive and procreative meanings into separate acts. Therefore, a non-procreative sexual act, such as oral sex, cannot be justified by a subsequent or prior procreative sexual act (natural intercourse).

The lack of climax in a sexual act does not change the act into a procreative act; it does not make the act any less non-procreative, and so the act remains intrinsically evil and always gravely immoral.
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My Jesuit Formation Director said "Whatever happens between a man and wife behind closed doors is non of my business!!"
this is surprising because contraception is a sin in the RCC and is done behind closed doors, and it is none of his business? Wow!
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"Each and every sexual act in a marriage needs to be open to the possibility of conceiving a child." (USCCB Catechism, p. 409).

Unnatural sexual acts, such as oral sex, are not open to procreation; they are non-procreative sexual acts, and so they are intrinsically evil, and always gravely immoral.

"The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life. This particular doctrine, often expounded by the magisterium of the Church, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act. " (HV 11-12)

Humanae Vitae teaches that married couples may not separate the unitive and procreative meanings into separate acts. Therefore, a non-procreative sexual act, such as oral sex, cannot be justified by a subsequent or prior procreative sexual act (natural intercourse).

The lack of climax in a sexual act does not change the act into a procreative act; it does not make the act any less non-procreative, and so the act remains intrinsically evil and always gravely immoral.


Could you define " Each and every sexual act "? How do you define this sentence without bad " ism words " ?

Could you give us information on how you interpret the different steps of marital act? Are you against the sexual phenomenology on this topic? Are you against the personalism in the context of marital act?

Are you against the foreplay between wife and husband in the context of marital act? What is your thought on " The Song of the Songs "? Are you against the sexual love in the marriage?

For you, what are the moral foreplay?

What is your acception of masturbation in the context of marital act?
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Oral sex on wife done by husband till the climax is wrong.
I suspect that the above answer represents an opinion only, as it does not even follow the Church's logic on the issue.
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I suspect that the above answer represents an opinion only, as it does not even follow the Church's logic on the issue.

My thought:

Oral stimulation on wife done by husband, in the context of marital act, as foreplay, is, per se, totally okay.

Oral stimulation on wife done by husband, not in the context of marital act, and thus not as foreplay, is wrong.
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"Each and every sexual act in a marriage needs to be open to the possibility of conceiving a child." (USCCB Catechism, p. 409).

Unnatural sexual acts, such as oral sex, are not open to procreation; they are non-procreative sexual acts, and so they are intrinsically evil, and always gravely immoral.

"The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life. This particular doctrine, often expounded by the magisterium of the Church, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act. " (HV 11-12)

Humanae Vitae teaches that married couples may not separate the unitive and procreative meanings into separate acts. Therefore, a non-procreative sexual act, such as oral sex, cannot be justified by a subsequent or prior procreative sexual act (natural intercourse).

The lack of climax in a sexual act does not change the act into a procreative act; it does not make the act any less non-procreative, and so the act remains intrinsically evil and always gravely immoral.
I wonder if a husband and wife engaging in oral and vaginal sex in the same night can be considered one "sexual act in a marriage". In other words, does "each sexual act in marriage" mean each time the male ejaculates?
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I suspect that the above answer represents an opinion only, as it does not even follow the Church's logic on the issue.
and what is your take one the topic. Is a sexual act that consist only of oral sex procreative?
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Old May 10, '12, 5:08 am
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The great issues on this topic are the definitions of different concepts and their acception in link with the natural law (objective and realistic philosophy, epistemology, metaphysic, the catholic phenomenology, the catholic theology, medical sciences...etc).

On this forum we have to avoid explicit terms, thus the understanding is not quite enough clear. Often there are misunderstandings, wrong understandings, too simple acceptions and the problematic of the interpretation (lato sensu or stricto sensu).

The topic is in the context of marital act between wife and spouse.
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My Jesuit Formation Director said "Whatever happens between a man and wife behind closed doors is non of my business!!"
Which is why jesuits dont command the kind of deference they once did. It is very unlikely I would ever seek out a jesuit to directly me properly in the ways of catholicism
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