St. Anselm and St. Thomas Aquinas on Satisfaction

[grannymh]

Originally Posted by Blue Horizon

I would tend to agree with Wannabe on this one GM. Solus Catechismus (which isn't quite what you are saying I know) surely has similar intrinisc weaknesses as raw Sola Scriptura.
First up it is a translation from Latin.
Second, it may use "technical" phrases and keywords that flash bright colours for scholastic scholars but may not be averted to by the average lay reader (other than noticing unusual structure and a perhaps curious choice of nouns).

Do you own a hard copy or paperback of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition? If not, please buy one.

May I respectfully suggest that if you are going to talk about Solus Catechismus, you must read pages 689 - 752 as a beginning. So far I have not found these pages on line, but then I can barely use the computer.

Also, a must read are pages xiii through page 6. I accidentally found these on line, but am not sure how I did that. Obviously, in any case, a serious reader would check out paragraphs 18 - 22. CCC 20 - 21 are important because they explain the use of small print which is an "unusual structure". Something else which one may consider unusual are the cross-references in the margins. Personally, I love that. Another bonus is that in addition to the normal Index and the Index of Citations, the Glossary also indicates paragraphs.

As for Latin being the official language of the Catholic Church, I have heard an interesting opinion. Regardless, formal documents are in Latin. The vernacular editions of this universal Catechism are tested against the Latin.

As for "technical" phrases and keywords that flash bright colours for scholastic scholars" check out the word "Transubstantiation" in the Catechism's Glossary. The opening sentence will bring a smile to your face.

Warning --

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, is not a page-turner.

[Blue Horizon]

Originally Posted by grannymh

Wow !!!!!!

Someone finally knows how to look at God and human life with a *both -- and* perspective. Of course there is **both -- and** to the Incarnation and, believe it or not, because God is involved in the Incarnation there is a ****many -- and **** perspective to the Incarnation.

You are going to have to explain that riser more clearly if you want a rise .

[Blue Horizon]

Originally Posted by grannymh

Do you own a hard copy or paperback of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition? If not, please buy one.

May I respectfully suggest that if you are going to talk about Solus Catechismus, you must read pages 689 - 752 as a beginning. So far I have not found these pages on line, but then I can barely use the computer.

GrannyM
Hmmmn. The rhetorical condescention is perhaps just a tad over the top. Also, perhaps the throwing of unquoted, extensive references at readers to homework without actually and clearly stating what one is on about ... is a bit like someone throwing flowers in another's face - an unhelpful and somewhat mixed message . I am sure you can do better than this.

As for Latin being the official language of the Catholic Church, I have heard an interesting opinion. Regardless, formal documents are in Latin. The vernacular editions of this universal Catechism are tested against the Latin.

And yet serious scholars of the New Testament still spend years studying/learning Koine Greek so they can read the original text (I include myself, in my own small way, in that effort). Of course there is no original text so they study about 100 different early copies (and then they have to learn Coptic and other languages to read some of those). Even then there are still valid ambiguities in the NT which can only be decided by tradition/Magisterium. I haven't even started on the difficulties of the OT.

If the English Missal wasn't right the first time why would we think any English Catechism is different.

Words start dying as soon as the ink dries or the echoes fade. Time ravages all truths written or spoken. We are not to worship idols - God cannot be definitively summed up and contained in such a manner.

As for "technical" phrases and keywords that flash bright colours for scholastic scholars" check out the word "Transubstantiation" in the Catechism's Glossary. The opening sentence will bring a smile to your face.

You may not be aware that the glossary itself uses technical words that aren't explained elsewhere in the glossary (e.g. "species" in the scholastic "explanation" of Transubstantiation.) If the Catechism was to try and flag every scholastic usage/nuance the glossary would end up bigger than the Catechism. BTW that glossary "explanation"
is weaker than dishwater.