Economy: Blue States Worse Than Red Under Obama

[EmperorNapoleon]

Originally Posted by Scott_Lafrance

Okay, then lets blame the bad parenting on the skyrocketing rate of out of wedlock childbirths, enabled by family destroying programs such as no-fault divorce, and "social safety net" programs in which the state becomes the defacto fathers for millions of kids. Lets see, who is the champion of social entitlement programs.......

Do you think people are responsible for their own actions? I do, and frankly, I find it utterly bizarre that the right wing paints itself as the champion of personal liberty but seems to think that the individual shouldn't be held responsible or accountable for the consequences of their behavior; that its always the government's fault when something bad happens.

[Scott_Lafrance]

Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon

Do you think people are responsible for their own actions? I do, and frankly, I find it utterly bizarre that the right wing paints itself as the champion of personal liberty but seems to think that the individual shouldn't be held responsible for the consequences of their behavior; that its always the government's fault when something bad happens.

That is my position exactly. Read my signature, I am repulsed, generally, by both parties.

[Akathist]

Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon

Drop-outs are not the product of a "failing education system;" they are the product of a failure of parenting and of their own unwillingness to learn. You also can't blame a "failing education system" for the refusal of adults to take advantage of the learning programs offered to them. It doesn't matter how good an education system is if parents let their children cast their future to the wind by dropping out. The rejection of education on the part of the population is why Detroit is in the situation it is now.

So all the failing parents in the USA have migrated to Democratic run Cities?

[EmperorNapoleon]

Originally Posted by Akathist

So all the failing parents in the USA have migrated to Democratic run Cities?

I don't think it has anything to do with political parties. The rejection of education is at the core of culture in areas which rely heavily on manufacturing and processing plants to provide jobs.

[Akathist]

Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon

I don't think it has anything to do with political parties. The rejection of education is at the core of culture in areas which rely heavily on manufacturing and processing plants to provide jobs.

But this only happens in Democratic lead Cities like Detroit, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Miami, St. Louis, El Paso, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, & Newark?

[EmperorNapoleon]

Originally Posted by Akathist

But this only happens in Democratic lead Cities?

Not at all and, as I have pointed out to you numerous times already, the political party of the mayor has nothing to do with the education level of the workforce; its incidental. But since you have your microscope out you should also consider that the top 10 poorest States are run by Republicans.

[Scott_Lafrance]

Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon

Not at all and, as I have pointed out to you numerous times already, the political party of the mayor has nothing to do with the education level of the workforce; its incidental. But since you have your microscope out you should also consider that the top 10 poorest States are run by Republicans.

What does their cash flow look like and what sort of mess did they "inherit"?

[Akathist]

Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon

Not at all and, as I have pointed out to you numerous times already, the political party of the mayor has nothing to do with the education level of the workforce; its incidental. But since you have your microscope out you should also consider that the top 10 poorest States are run by Republicans.

No they are not, its evenly divided:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...North_Carolina

1. Mississippi Republican Governor Phil Bryant
2. Arkansas Democrat Governor Mike Beebe
3. Tennessee Republican Governor Bill Haslam
4. West Virginia Democrat Governor Earl Ray Tomblin
5. Louisiana Republican Governor Bobby Jindal
6. Montana Democrat Governor Brian Schweitzer
7. South Carolina Republican Governor Mark Sanford
8. Kentucky Democrat Governor Steve Beshear
9. Alabama Republican Governor Bob Riley
10. North Carolina Democrat Beverly Perdue

[Swiss Guy]

Originally Posted by Akathist

The link is from the USCCB website, who in turn was using figures from the U.S. Census Bureau.

My point was there are some cities you had posted such as Milwaukee (albeit it isn't too great north of Marquette) that aren't on that list.

[TarkanAttila]

Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon

Do you think people are responsible for their own actions? I do, and frankly, I find it utterly bizarre that the right wing paints itself as the champion of personal liberty but seems to think that the individual shouldn't be held responsible or accountable for the consequences of their behavior; that its always the government's fault when something bad happens.

Let's put it this way: the people elect the government, no? They put the government into power. So really all that the horrible workings of the government expose, aside from how horrible the government is, is how horribly messed up the minds and souls of the people who elected them into office are.

Makes sense to me that Blue states are doing worse. They have people who are more mentally, intellectually, and spiritually distorted generally speaking than red states. (Pro-abortion, pro gay "marriage", pro-contraception, pro-drugs - oh, and the welfare state and the government as nanny of the people - how is that not messed up?) Not that Republicans aren't messed up, too. (After all, the GOP does support being the world's police force, and the death penalty. And abortion for rape and incest for that matter.)

But... Democrats seem to be more so. And they get worse every election season.

This is a country that, as a whole, badly, badly needs mental therapy.

[Akathist]

Originally Posted by Swiss Guy

My point was there are some cities you had posted such as Milwaukee (albeit it isn't too great north of Marquette) that aren't on that list.

I'm not sure what you are referring to, Milwaukee is No 8 on the list. It's not my list. The link is from the USCCB website, who in turn was using figures compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau.

This is the original quote:

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) published a list of the top ten most impoverished cities in the United States of America:

http://old.usccb.org/cchd/povback/povfact6.htm

What's interesting is what they all have in common; Democratic leadership:

1. Detroit, MI Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1961

2. Buffalo, NY Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1954

3. Cincinnati, OH Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1984

4. Cleveland, OH Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1989

5. Miami, FL Never had a Republican Mayor

6. St. Louis, MO Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1949

7. El Paso, TX Never had a Republican Mayor

8. Milwaukee, WI Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1908

9. Philadelphia, PA Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1952

10. Newark, NJ Hasn't elected a Republican Mayor since 1907

[rlg94086]

Originally Posted by Akathist

No they are not, its evenly divided:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...North_Carolina

1. Mississippi Republican Governor Phil Bryant
2. Arkansas Democrat Governor Mike Beebe
3. Tennessee Republican Governor Bill Haslam
4. West Virginia Democrat Governor Earl Ray Tomblin
5. Louisiana Republican Governor Bobby Jindal
6. Montana Democrat Governor Brian Schweitzer
7. South Carolina Republican Governor Mark Sanford
8. Kentucky Democrat Governor Steve Beshear
9. Alabama Republican Governor Bob Riley
10. North Carolina Democrat Beverly Perdue

Thank you for refuting that oft repeated mistatement.

[_Abyssinia]

Follow high gasoline prices to Obama support; states with most expensive fuel costs solidly for president, analysis finds

There is a curious relationship between a state's gas prices and presidential politics. The higher the price of gasoline, the higher President Obama's prospects of winning that state.

Obama's electoral map to victory bares a remarkable resemblance to a map of the country's highest gas prices.

California, Illinois, Washington D.C. and New York - all solidly Democratic - are among the costliest for gas. Wyoming, Montana, Oklahoma and Utah - where Lyndon Johnson was the last Democrat to win the presidential vote - are among the cheapest.

An analysis by the California News Service shows that 20 of the 22 states that voted against President Obama in 2008 have gas prices that fall below the national average. More than 80 percent of states with prices above the national average - $3.92 as of Friday - voted for Obama in 2008.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...rt-states-most

[EmperorNapoleon]

Originally Posted by Akathist

What's interesting is what they all have in common; Democratic leadership

Spamming the thread with this doesn't make true the causal relationship you are pushing.

[Akathist]

Originally Posted by EmperorNapoleon

Spamming the thread with this doesn't make true the causal relationship you are pushing.

Sure is does, Democratic leadership leads to poverty, its the rich legally stealing from the middle class to buy votes from the poor. It has short term results, but eventually chases out the middle class. The result is poverty.