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Old May 9, '12, 11:19 am
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Default If a marriage is annulled, what was it?

I have a weird/dumb question about annulment.

If you get an annulment, how does it define your former marriage?

If two people were married in the church, and then because of adultery or abuse or something they seek an annulment and it's granted, then does the declaration of annulment mean that they were living in sin?


Does annulment mean that you were never married?
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Old May 9, '12, 11:52 am
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I have a weird/dumb question about annulment.
Nothing weird or dumb about it; lots of people misunderstand.

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If you get an annulment, how does it define your former marriage?
It doesn't. It defines the (putative) Sacrament itself. But the two of you were still living together.
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If two people were married in the church, and then because of adultery or abuse or something they seek an annulment
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They'd lose. The decree of nullity is an official finding by the Church that the Sacrament of Matrimony was invalidly performed (or not performed at all). For example, the Church might find that one of the spouses was not free to marry (already married, under religious vows, too young to marry, under duress, etc.) and therefore did not validly perform the Sacrament. But the focus is on whether the Sacrament was validly performed at the time; adultery, etc. are basically irrelevant, because annulments are not divorces. If you were validly married, then even the worst abuse afterward won't undo that.
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and it's granted, then does the declaration of annulment mean that they were living in sin?
Probably not. Sin requires intent. If you thought you were validly married, then you weren't sinning when you engaged in the marital act with the person you thought was your spouse. If you later find out that s/he was so insane at the time of the wedding that s/he couldn't validly marry under canon law, then either of you can seek a decree of nullity; but neither of you sinned.

On the other hand, if you go through the Sacrament of Matrimony concealing the fact that you've already validly married someone else in the Church, then your second (putative) marriage is invalid; and either of you can seek a decree of nullity; and you sinned but your putative spouse did not.

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Does annulment mean that you were never married?
That's exactly what it means: the Sacrament of Matrimony, for whatever reason, did not validly take place.
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It was a putative marriage--i.e., one that was thought to be valid, but wasn't.
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If you get an annulment, how does it define your former marriage?
The term the Church uses is putative marriage when the marriage was entered into in good faith by one or both parties.

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If two people were married in the church, and then because of adultery or abuse or something they seek an annulment and it's granted,
I suggest you read the book Annulment: The Wedding That Was by Michael Smith Foster. Neither of the things you list are nullity grounds.

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then does the declaration of annulment mean that they were living in sin?
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Does annulment mean that you were never married?
Not exactly. It means the couple were never validly married. They certainly did have a legal marriage from a civil standpoint.
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I have a weird/dumb question about annulment.

If you get an annulment, how does it define your former marriage?

If two people were married in the church, and then because of adultery or abuse or something they seek an annulment and it's granted, then does the declaration of annulment mean that they were living in sin?


Does annulment mean that you were never married?
As Godflower said, sin requires intent. A couple in an invalid marriage would be objectively engaging in fornication, but subjectively are not guilty of the sin of fornication.

This would be the case if neither party were aware of the invalidity of the marriage. If one partner was a aware, then the he or she would be guilty of both fornication and lying to one's putative spouse!
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I have a weird/dumb question...
No problem. I recently listened to a homily where the deacon inferred that St. Peter got to be Pope in part because he was the one who asked Jesus the most weird/dumb questions.

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If you get an annulment, how does it define your former marriage?

If two people were married in the church, and then because of adultery or abuse or something they seek an annulment and it's granted, then does the declaration of annulment mean that they were living in sin?


Does annulment mean that you were never married?
I see that other posters have already addressed this excellently.
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