Obama declares support for same-sex marriage - Page 14

Marchmain1987 · #**196** May 10, '12, 12:57 pm

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Originally Posted by scipio337

Yet, he refused to have the DOJ defend DOMA.

Ironic, no? There isn't a fence our President hasn't straddled for political expediency, except for abortion and an attempt to force Catholics to violate their conscience.

C'mon, this was after he was against it and now he is for it again.

But at least he is going to raise alot of money tonight.

rfournier103 · #**197** May 10, '12, 1:03 pm

In my humble opinion... this is just an attempt to grab a few votes (although I do think he is very much in favor of gay marriage). There were alot of people who were upset by what happened in NC and he wants to be seen as standing up for the 'repressed minority'.

This made me think of a few things...

-99% of likely voters already have their minds made up about who they're going to vote for in Nov. Obama's announcement changes nothing.

-The LEGISLATURE writes (and votes on) Bills regarding such hot-button issues like gay marriage, gun rights, and abortion. The President signs said Bills into law only AFTER they pass both the House and the Senate. I think the United States Congress wouldn't touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. MOST congressmen are too chicken to have a public opinion one way or the other on this issue; and unless Congress passes a Bill, the President really doesn't have a say. Obama's announcement changes nothing here, either.

-What his announcement DOES change, is our focus from jobs and the economy to gay marriage. I think the public and media are now distracted from joblessness, and our HUGE trade deficit with China. The President CAN do something about this, but instead chooses to create a s**t-storm over an issue he CAN'T impact in any way, while people continue to lose their houses, their jobs, their spouses, and sometimes even take their lives because nobody can stay focused on the economy long enough to do anything about it.

I expected better. Even from him.

Kevin812 · #**198** May 10, '12, 1:17 pm

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Originally Posted by CHRISTINE77

It's a STATES RIGHTS issue, not a NATIONAL issue.

Nope

Marriage is a National issue.

Civil Rights are a National issue.

States Rights is a Dead issue (see: Civil War)

Natural law dictates that we shall have marriage equality -- it is the only just and proper thing to do.

Certain Church leaders (Catholic + others) will have to do some great gymnastics to get themselves out the corner which they painted themselves in.

Report me to the Inquisition, the Bishop, and/or Rome that is your right, but be careful not to set yourself up as any of the above (unless by odd chance you are His Holiness reading this).

He Man · #**199** May 10, '12, 1:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin812

Nope

Marriage is a National issue.

Civil Rights are a National issue.

States Rights is a Dead issue (see: Civil War)

Natural law dictates that we shall have marriage equality -- it is the only just and proper thing to do.

Certain Church leaders (Catholic + others) will have to do some great gymnastics to get themselves out the corner which they painted themselves in.

Report me to the Inquisition, the Bishop, and/or Rome that is your right, but be careful not to set yourself up as any of the above (unless by odd chance you are His Holiness reading this).

a) Obama said it was a states' rights issue, so you need to speak to the overlord about that and inform him you know better. plus, it is by definition a states' rights issue, since it is being voted on at the state level.

b) You lost me when you you used Natural Law to demand marriage equality. Do you even know what Natural Law is?

And no one is going to report some random guy named Kevin from Catholic Answers to anyone.

You're wrong, but that isn't really our problem. God handles those sort of things.

Kevin812 · #**200** May 10, '12, 1:34 pm

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Originally Posted by He Man

a) Obama said it was a states' rights issue, so you need to speak to the overlord about that and inform him you know better. plus, it is by definition a states' rights issue, since it is being voted on at the state level.

Overlord?? I wasn't aware we had them in the US. I disagree with the President; it is a National issue.

b) You lost me when you you used Natural Law to demand marriage equality. Do you even know what Natural Law is?

Do you?? Can you sight page numbers??

And no one is going to report some random guy named Kevin from Catholic Answers to anyone.

Most certainly. I see posters on here who has everything figured out and thay claim to know more than Rome.

You're wrong, but that isn't really our problem. God handles those sort of things.

I'm right and are you having a Private Revelation?

Blue is mine

**JimG** · #**201** May 10, '12, 1:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin812

Nope

Marriage is a National issue.

Civil Rights are a National issue.

States Rights is a Dead issue (see: Civil War)

Natural law dictates that we shall have marriage equality -- it is the only just and proper thing to do.

Certain Church leaders (Catholic + others) will have to do some great gymnastics to get themselves out the corner which they painted themselves in.

Report me to the Inquisition, the Bishop, and/or Rome that is your right, but be careful not to set yourself up as any of the above (unless by odd chance you are His Holiness reading this).

The Catholic Church will not be doing any mental gymnastics "to get themselves out of a corner." The teaching on marriage is constant and will not change. The teaching on marriage goes back 2,000 years, and even longer. No society has ever accepted homosexual marriage. Some cultures have accepted polygamy, but never homosexual marriage. Some cultures have accepted homosexual behavior, but never homosexual marriage.

It's rather like demanding that women have an equal right to be fathers, and that men have an equal right to be mothers. It's a biological impossibility. Homosexual marriage is an impossibility because same sex couples are incapable of engaging in marital intercourse.

Kevin812 · #**202** May 10, '12, 1:42 pm

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Originally Posted by JimG

The Catholic Church will not be doing any mental gymnastics "to get themselves out of a corner." The teaching on marriage is constant and will not change. The teaching on marriage goes back 2,000 years, and even longer. No society has ever accepted homosexual marriage. Some cultures have accepted polygamy, but never homosexual marriage. Some cultures have accepted homosexual behavior, but never homosexual marriage.

Simply not a true statement

It's rather like demanding that women have an equal right to be fathers, and that men have an equal right to be mothers. It's a biological impossibility. Homosexual marriage is an impossibility because same sex couples are incapable of engaging in marital intercourse.

Simply not a true statement. I hear there is a lot of sex going on.

He Man · #**203** May 10, '12, 1:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin812

Blue is mine.

Thanks for clearing that up, I almost thought I had posted a response to myself...

Originally Posted by He Man

a) Obama said it was a states' rights issue, so you need to speak to the overlord about that and inform him you know better. plus, it is by definition a states' rights issue, since it is being voted on at the state level.

Overlord?? I wasn't aware we had them in the US. I disagree with the President; it is a National issue.

That's fine, but the fact that states are voting on it means it isn't a national issue, BY DEFINITION.

b) You lost me when you you used Natural Law to demand marriage equality. Do you even know what Natural Law is?

Do you?? Can you sight page numbers??

Yes, my vision is 20/20 on the left, 20/15 on the right.

And no one is going to report some random guy named Kevin from Catholic Answers to anyone.

Most certainly. I see posters on here who has everything figured out and thay claim to know more than Rome.

Not sure what "most certainly" means in this context, so I'll just say go Orioles.

You're wrong, but that isn't really our problem. God handles those sort of things.

I'm right and are you having a Private Revelation?

You're wrong, and no. I was told not to post or tweet them any more. St. Francis Xavier can be quite taskmaster.

CHRISTINE77 · #**204** May 10, '12, 1:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Marchmain1987

1. The President is not going to do anything of the kind within the election cycle (unless Israel moves against Iran by which the President would be forced to support the action – but that seems unlikely now).
2. Because it would further destabilize the region if Iran’s current government no longer held power. It would further damage the U.S. position in Iraq; it would also further weaken the current Afgan government by damaging its legitimacy via its U.S. backing.
3. It would force those same governments to further distance themselves from the United States (with the United States still providing aid to support each other governments to ensure their survival, particularly in Afghanistan).
4. Any direct attack by the United States would further Iranian paranoia and force their hand to make some sort of retaliation with regard to their navy and cause the price of oil to skyrocket.
5. It makes more sense to treat Iran like the Soviet Union with regard to the nuclear umbrella in Southeast Asia (Japan) and Europe.
6. The United States cannot afford another war with an inevitable ensuing insurgency. Also, the general American public has too much invested in domestic matters to lend lengthy support to another costly and drawn-out war in the Middle East.

And the reason Romney would????

Marchmain1987 · #**205** May 10, '12, 1:52 pm

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Originally Posted by CHRISTINE77

And the reason Romney would????

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...ItR_story.html

Unless he changes his mind.

Iranian paranoia is never a good thing.

CHRISTINE77 · #**206** May 10, '12, 2:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin812

Nope

Marriage is a National issue.

Civil Rights are a National issue.

States Rights is a Dead issue (see: Civil War)

Natural law dictates that we shall have marriage equality -- it is the only just and proper thing to do.

Certain Church leaders (Catholic + others) will have to do some great gymnastics to get themselves out the corner which they painted themselves in.

Report me to the Inquisition, the Bishop, and/or Rome that is your right, but be careful not to set yourself up as any of the above (unless by odd chance you are His Holiness reading this).

Only states can pass or not pass gay marriage.

CHRISTINE77 · #**207** May 10, '12, 2:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Marchmain1987

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...ItR_story.html

Unless he changes his mind.

Iranian paranoia is never a good thing.

Hmmm I'm with you on that one.

Kevin812 · #**208** May 10, '12, 2:09 pm

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Originally Posted by CHRISTINE77

Only states can pass or not pass gay marriage.

Not true. It is a Civil Rights issue. One day soon all those silly and discriminatory States' laws and constitutional amendments will be set aside by a Supreme Court ruling. (see topic inter racial marriages, see also: Civil War)

For the record it is NOT gay marriage, but marriage equality.

SwizzleStick · #**209** May 10, '12, 2:13 pm

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Originally Posted by He Man

Thanks for clearing that up, I almost thought I had posted a response to myself...

Originally Posted by He Man

a) Obama said it was a states' rights issue, so you need to speak to the overlord about that and inform him you know better. plus, it is by definition a states' rights issue, since it is being voted on at the state level.

Overlord?? I wasn't aware we had them in the US. I disagree with the President; it is a National issue.

That's fine, but the fact that states are voting on it means it isn't a national issue, BY DEFINITION.

b) You lost me when you you used Natural Law to demand marriage equality. Do you even know what Natural Law is?

Do you?? Can you sight page numbers??

Yes, my vision is 20/20 on the left, 20/15 on the right.

And no one is going to report some random guy named Kevin from Catholic Answers to anyone.

Most certainly. I see posters on here who has everything figured out and thay claim to know more than Rome.

Not sure what "most certainly" means in this context, so I'll just say go Orioles.

You're wrong, but that isn't really our problem. God handles those sort of things.

I'm right and are you having a Private Revelation?

You're wrong, and no. I was told not to post or tweet them any more. St. Francis Xavier can be quite taskmaster.

SamH · #**210** May 10, '12, 2:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin812

Not true. It is a Civil Rights issue. One day soon all those silly and discriminatory States' laws and constitutional amendments will be set aside by a Supreme Court ruling. (see topic inter racial marriages, see also: Civil War)

For the record it is NOT gay marriage, but marriage equality.

So I can marry my mom and collect her social security as a surviving spouce?