Pelosi Says Her Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Her To Support Gay Marriage - Page 15

**JimG** · #**211** May 11, '12, 8:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Pre Rejected

There is no reconciliation between the two.

My faith will lead me to spend an eternity, alone, in misery, in Hell.

The Catholic Faith will lead me to spend an eternity, with God, in happiness, in Heaven.

If I live by my personal beliefs, I will go to Hell. If I live by Catholic Beliefs, I will go to Heaven.

Why would I want to live according to my faith, when I can live by the Catholic Faith?

Why would I want to live according to my personal beliefs, when I can live according to Catholic Beliefs?

Why would I share my faith with other people, when I can share the Catholic Faith?

Wow, I think I will print that out and recommend it to a priest as a homily. Short and to the point. Thanks for explaining!

presidentjlh · #**212** May 11, '12, 8:34 pm

This is why I am more and more of the opinion that the state should withdraw from marriage altogether. This would end the issue in a way that those who are for gay marriage cannot accuse as being unconstitutional, as then marriage would be solely a matter of the churches, which is their right to practice as they wish. I believe that getting married shouldn't mean you get financial benefits from the state. Marriage is about God most of all.

Pork Roll · #**213** May 11, '12, 8:35 pm

I listened to NPR today and had to stomach the gay marriage propoganda that was spewing from the speakers. The guy argued that commitment and fidelity are what matters and that gay marriage was therefore something conservatives should support. The contraceptive mentality has led to this distortion of marriage that it somehow isn't about procreation.

PTL · #**214** May 11, '12, 8:46 pm

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Matthew 19
19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Jesus talks about "marriage" - a man and his wife , a woman.

CMatt25 · #**215** May 11, '12, 8:46 pm

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Originally Posted by ellipsis2

As I skip reading the whole thread because I know where it's going, my opinion is that we give a gay union all the rights a marriage union has and not worry about the semantics. Let them have the same rights a married couple has. The Catholic Church does not have to perform the ceremony. They will not be forced to anymore than they are "forced " to perform a ceremony for divorced persons. Being gay is not against the law in this country, so let's not take it down the road of those actions that are against the law...including bestiality. If we as a country were more tolerant we wouldnt be in this mess right now.....IMHO

You're perhaps wise to skip the whole thing. Plus there's also ones on President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden. Great post though. I see you are considering Catholicism. God bless you on your journey and His peace be with you always.

George Stegmeir · #**216** May 11, '12, 8:48 pm

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Originally Posted by CMatt25

What's going to be different if she's excommunicated beyond being told she is not to receive the Eucharist nor take on a parish role of any kind until reconciled? She's still going to be a Catholic by virtue of her Baptism.

A public excommunication by her Bishop would, at least, prevent her from other scandalous pronouncements and would serve notice on other apostate politicians from making heretical statements.
Not that it would have much effect. Look at HHS Secretary Sibelius. When she was Governor, her Bishop excommunicated her for her public espousal of Abortion and Contraception laws in her State. She never publicly recanted and today is shoving that very thing down the Catholic Churches throat and along with Obama is spinning it to make it look like our Bishops are against women!
I think we are overdue for Cardinal Dolan to advise all Catholics about the dangers of voting for these people who continue to violate our Constitution.

Jeanne S · #**217** May 11, '12, 8:49 pm

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Originally Posted by George Stegmeir

A public excommunication by her Bishop would, at least, prevent her from other scandalous pronouncements and would serve notice on other apostate politicians from making heretical statements.
Not that it would have much effect. Look at HHS Secretary Sibelius. When she was Governor, her Bishop excommunicated her for her public espousal of Abortion and Contraception laws in her State. She never publicly recanted and today is shoving that very thing down the Catholic Churches throat and along with Obama is spinning it to make it look like our Bishops are against women!
I think we are overdue for Cardinal Dolan to advise all Catholics about the dangers of voting for these people who continue to violate our Constitution.

amen!

mab23 · #**218** May 11, '12, 10:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Jeanne S

Doesn't matter.It is morally a disordered state.Man and woman,marriage,procreative act,children,God's design.Any other combination is unnatural. Try moving past the emotional part of the argument and think about it logically.I am not trying to be rude,but it does seem to be that those who endorse civil unions and a host of other social issues get caught up in the emotions and lose sight of the facts. Just because it makes one feel good about supporting this and other controversial issues,it doesn't make it moral.

I truly have little emotion in this topic - I just don't see it as imperative, and meaning much

It doesn't effect me really - if gays get married or not my life will be the same... so I could care less in that sense

I don't feel good or bad taking my stance, I don't think it effects my morals either

I will stand with the Catholic Church, because they have lead me right so far

Pfaffenhoffen · #**219** May 11, '12, 10:37 pm

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Originally Posted by LostChemist

How is that Protestant thinking exactly?

Sorry. I answered there but in bad terms:

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That is a Protestant thinking. I have got a private revelation that tells me that something that is against the Catholic Faith is wrong.

It should be:
I have got a private revelation that tells me that something that the Catholic Faith says is wrong. I am right, the Church is wrong.

Pfaffenhoffen · #**220** May 11, '12, 10:40 pm

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Originally Posted by coachkfan1

I like what you have said here about private revelation superseding 2000 years of Church teaching. I think that we need to realize that this woman is a POLITICIAN first and a Catholic second.

A politician ( a true politician ) told me: "For power, I would sell my best friend!". I then understood the stuff many politicians are made of.
Not the great Thomas Moore: "The king's faithful servant but God's First!". Great!

CMatt25 · #**221** May 11, '12, 11:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Dawnia

See Mathew 19

Ah yes that chapter in which Jesus tells His disciples the teaching does not apply to everyone, that who can accept this teaching to do so. I remember it.

Jimdandy · #**222** May 12, '12, 12:18 am

So, just how many of y'all pray for her conversion?

ConstantineTG · #**223** May 12, '12, 12:24 am

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Originally Posted by CMatt25

That's something I never understand about Catholics. Some as you stated say she's not Catholic. And I'm not sure if you meant "as much as we don't feel she shouldn't have the right to call herself one, she is one". Or if you meant "as much we don't feel she should have that right, she is one". But I don't understand why any faithful Catholic would say she is not Catholic or should not have the right to call herself one when the Church doesn't say that. To say she is not or shouldn't have the right to call herself one seems to go against Church teaching. The same thing these Catholics who say these things are critical of her of doing.

It's not up to individual Catholics to say if she's Catholic or not. The same way that Catholics shouldn't be looking to her as a source of what should be Catholic belief or not.

Dymphna82 · #**224** May 12, '12, 12:47 am

Yes, but sadly, these are the days where people look towards people like Kanye West for wisdom.

(Kanye has nothing to do with this topic, just an example of the idolatry going on these days.)

Dejagirl · #**225** May 12, '12, 1:09 am

I sincerely hope that Nancy Pelosi is not using her Catholic faith for her own personal agenda and power. Same holds true for any public official who uses their faith or Jesus' name in vain for similar purposes.

These leaders have been blessed with such a wonderful opportunity in their time on earth to influence and help so many. If their intentions are self-serving, I pray that God will protect those they come in contact with so that they may see the truth, and follow the path of our Lord Jesus Christ.