Pelosi Says Her Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Her To Support Gay Marriage - Page 2

LostChemist · #16 May 11, '12, 12:49 am

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Originally Posted by Pfaffenhoffen

I do not think that is a good idea. It is paying too much attention to her.
That is a Protestant thinking. I have got a private revelation that tells me that something that is against the Catholic Faith is wrong.

How is that Protestant thinking exactly?

Brok · #17 May 11, '12, 1:17 am

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Originally Posted by Dymphna82

Can she be excommunicated, please? Please, please, pretty please?

There are few things that repel in quite the same way as the member of the crowd who wanted to stone the woman taken in adultery - whether that particular passage is canonical or not! When the Roman Catholic Church begins to view itself as Christian first and "Catholic" second, it may begin to see that everyone is entitled to a view and that we are all 'in sin' and in danger of casting the first stone. What does Christianity teach about seeing a fellow Christian in error "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother". Not pretty please excommunicate "... thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward". (King James version). Personally I find all things homosexual to be abhorrent; does this mean I am right and another person with the opposite view wrong? The Pharisaical view expressed by Dymphna 82 is as opposed to the teachings of Christ as any other sin.

nightranger · #18 May 11, '12, 1:35 am

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Originally Posted by Dymphna82

Can she be excommunicated, please? Please, please, pretty please?

Not likely, but perhaps pray for her conversion instead. St. Paul:

"...Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error..."

coachkfan1 · #19 May 11, '12, 2:30 am

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Originally Posted by Pfaffenhoffen

I do not think that is a good idea. It is paying too much attention to her.
That is a Protestant thinking. I have got a private revelation that tells me that something that is against the Catholic Faith is wrong.

I like what you have said here about private revelation superseding 2000 years of Church teaching. I think that we need to realize that this woman is a POLITICIAN first and a Catholic second.

bscastro · #20 May 11, '12, 3:33 am

When I was very disappointed to hear her remarks on this. Very similar sidestepping of the teachings of the Church as she did with abortion.

I pray for her and all of our leaders.

God bless,
Bryan

Julia Mae · #21 May 11, '12, 4:04 am

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Originally Posted by Dymphna82

Can she be excommunicated, please? Please, please, pretty please?

You'll have to excommunicate me, also, along with a lot of other Catholics who feel the same way. Charity demands civil union, IMO.

wardrandolph · #22 May 11, '12, 4:14 am

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Originally Posted by Julia Mae

You'll have to excommunicate me, also, along with a lot of other Catholics who feel the same way. Charity demands civil union, IMO.

WHAT?Charity Demands that we don't confirm,condone or give the impression that it dos'nt matter because they "feel"its ok to remain in mortal sin.That is not Charity!

coachkfan1 · #23 May 11, '12, 4:32 am

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Originally Posted by Julia Mae

You'll have to excommunicate me, also, along with a lot of other Catholics who feel the same way. Charity demands civil union, IMO.

If you feel this way, then why remain in the Catholic Church?
I am not encouraging you to leave the Church, but why stay somewhere that teaches something that you seem to so adamantly disagree with? There are plenty of communities that embrace gay mairrage and clergy. What the Catholic Church needs is unity in the Body of Christ. There is room for difference in opinion, but one of the things that makes us Catholic is submission to the Magisterium of the Church. So get with the program.

Leo13_Pius10 · #24 May 11, '12, 4:37 am

It would seem to me in my limited observation of her as a non-American, that she is a formal heretic for a number of reasons. This means that she is already excommunicated latæ sententiæ.

jwakja · #25 May 11, '12, 4:52 am

IMO, Pelosi is a rich, self-consumed, sick, socialist biggot that is so power hungry she would argue with the Good Lord himself. A menace to all and she doesn't even realize it.

PTL · #26 May 11, '12, 4:57 am

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Originally Posted by Julia Mae

You'll have to excommunicate me, also, along with a lot of other Catholics who feel the same way. Charity demands civil union, IMO.

Civil union and marriage are two different things. You can support "civil union", but absolutely NOT "marriage". Marriage is only between a man and a woman, it is a Sacrament. Please think the difference and not be confused. Do not use the name of "charity" to violate God's commandment. "Civil Union" is charity, make gay relationship "marriage" is sin. Huge difference.

Julia Mae · #27 May 11, '12, 5:01 am

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Originally Posted by coachkfan1

If you feel this way, then why remain in the Catholic Church?
I am not encouraging you to leave the Church, but why stay somewhere that teaches something that you seem to so adamantly disagree with? There are plenty of communities that embrace gay mairrage and clergy. What the Catholic Church needs is unity in the Body of Christ. There is room for difference in opinion, but one of the things that makes us Catholic is submission to the Magisterium of the Church. So get with the program.

The Church teaches a lot of things. One of them, one of the most basic, is that we are responsible for our own conscience. I have stated what I believe: Charity demands this.

I actually don't consider my relationship with God in Christ to be a "program."

Julia Mae · #28 May 11, '12, 5:05 am

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Originally Posted by PTL

Civil union and marriage are two different things. You can support "civil union", but absolutely NOT "marriage". Marriage is only between a man and a woman, it is a Sacrament. Please think the difference and not be confused. Do not use the name of "charity" to violate God's commandment. "Civil Union" is charity, make gay relationship "marriage" is sin. Huge difference.

Nothing in the law or proposed law changes in any way the Sacrament of marriage in the Catholic Church. Non-sacramental unions historically called "marriage," have existed in civil law, a contract between the state and two people. Some people want to define that contract as only being valid between opposite genders. I don't. The Church is the Church. Everyone else in the society is not required to believe what we believe.

**LilyM** · #29 May 11, '12, 5:05 am

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Originally Posted by wardrandolph

WHAT?Charity Demands that we don't confirm,condone or give the impression that it dos'nt matter because they "feel"its ok to remain in mortal sin.

So we should roll back all the different legal benefits that have been bestowed on long term defacto partners?

We should ban people who have been baptized and raised Catholic from ceasing practice of the faith or converting to other faiths? After all, can they really honestly claim invincible ignorance?

What about those who have children out of wedlock? How about we deny them all financial aid or other help even if they're starving and broke? After all aren't we condoning their sin by allowing taxpayers to help like they would any godfearing married mothers?

I'm not advocating calling a gay relationship 'marriage', nor necessarily bestowing all the legal and other benefits that a heterosexual marriage has - some possibly aren't even appropriate. But that doesn't mean that some form of recognition isn't called for and even overdue.

mommamia · #30 May 11, '12, 5:07 am

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Originally Posted by Dymphna82

Oh, bite me.

Pelosi knows she's doing wrong, and she has it in her entire power to do what is right. She just wants political power and cares nothing about the Church.

It's not unreasonable to ask for excommunication. It's not as if she's going to repent tomorrow and take everything back. That would be a great miracle. No, she wants her sheep. That's not judgment or stoning.

If you want people to take you seriously, try behaving in an adult manner. "Bite me" is a childish and uncharitable phrase. Some could consider it a personal attack. Plus, it pretty much makes you sound like a child, and detracts from any message you may wish to convey.

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Originally Posted by coachkfan1

If you feel this way, then why remain in the Catholic Church?
I am not encouraging you to leave the Church, but why stay somewhere that teaches something that you seem to so adamantly disagree with? There are plenty of communities that embrace gay mairrage and clergy. What the Catholic Church needs is unity in the Body of Christ. There is room for difference in opinion, but one of the things that makes us Catholic is submission to the Magisterium of the Church. So get with the program.

I believe that it is against forum rules to question the professed faith of anyone. Including posters who have differing opinions or even Nancy Pelosi. It is especially uncharitable to infer that anyone should leave the Church. You are not perfect, I am not perfect, no Catholic is perfect. We all have issues.

While many of us may not agree with Pelosi or Biden, we still have the responsibility to treat everyone with charity and respect. The Church demands that of us. Lets try our best to keep these discussions on a respectful level.