Pelosi Says Her Catholic Faith ‘Compels’ Her To Support Gay Marriage

[Dymphna82]

Originally Posted by CMatt25

Because she's a Catholic public political official and an American who apparently stated her political views and what she believes. If she's wrong about the Catholic faith others can let it be known.

She did not say, "As a Catholic, I am against discrimination towards homosexuals, but as a politician, I support gay marriage." We would still be disappointed in her if she said that but at least she wouldn't be misrepresenting Catholicism.

I feel we need to stop arguing with you. It's obvious you support her right to betray the church and nothing we can do can convince you otherwise.

[CatholicBoy1957]

Originally Posted by heaintheavy

Excommunicated?!
If the church excommunicated every member who disagreed with a teaching or sinned...well, the congregation would be kinda sparse!

Does the Church excommunicate, or does the person excommunicate themselves? Is it possible that Pelosi has excommunicated herself?

Can. 1314 Generally, a penalty is ferendae sententiae, so that it does not bind the guilty party until after it has been imposed; if the law or precept expressly establishes it, however, a penalty is latae sententiae, so that it is incurred ipso facto when the delict is committed.

The congregation is indeed kind of sparse. Only about 20 percent of those who "self-identify" as Catholic, actually attend mass.

[Dymphna82]

Originally Posted by CMatt25

Not to me

If Nancy Pelosi was here, spouting her same views, we would spend a lot of time correcting her, as we've spent time correcting you. But if she was not a congressman, we would not call for her excommunication, because she wouldn't have the power to betray the Church on a national level.

[CatholicBoy1957]

Originally Posted by Dymphna82

She did not say, "As a Catholic, I am against discrimination towards homosexuals, but as a politician, I support gay marriage." We would still be disappointed in her if she said that but at least she wouldn't be misrepresenting Catholicism.

I feel we need to stop arguing with you. It's obvious you support her right to betray the church and nothing we can do can convince you otherwise.

Certainly, there are people here who have made their decision for God, or against God, and while it may seem senseless to argue with those who have made their decision, we have to be charitable towards those who have not, and so we continue to provide answers for those who are seeking truth in earnest, and not just in lip service.

[Dymphna82]

Originally Posted by CMatt25

She and everyone else of like mind as her should be able if they choose to call themselves a Catholic based on Baptism which is according to Catholic Church teaching, in whatever arena they are in.

They should be able to call themselves Catholic, but not use their Catholicism as an excuse to support gay marriage. If you support gay marriage, then you support your own beliefs more than God and the Church. You are saying you are more right than God himself.

[Dymphna82]

Originally Posted by CMatt25

and believe that non Catholics can be moral too.

Do you care about the souls of those people, who follow their own code of conducts and beliefs, that are against God? Do you care if they go to Heaven or Hell?

[Dymphna82]

Originally Posted by heaintheavy

Excommunicated?!
If the church excommunicated every member who disagreed with a teaching or sinned...well, the congregation would be kinda sparse!

I didn't ask for every member to be excommunicated, just her. But I really do think the Church should make an example of more people. If I was Pope, I'd excommunicate any person that has ever signed a petition in support of abortion or gay marriage. It's a good thing I'm born to be Dymphna, and not Pope.

[Dymphna82]

Originally Posted by Crescentinus

She got her comeuppance from Michael Voris!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDbGt...&feature=share

Voris brings sanity to my life.

[Fiasco]

Originally Posted by Carlan

Thanks Fiasco, for reminding the sinners on this thread," Domini Miserere Nobis"!
Peace, Carlan

It should keep us sober!

Originally Posted by CMatt25

I keep seeing on these forums that the Catholic Church doesn't know who is in hell. Does that include Judas?

Jesus`s words:

......woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born. [Matthew 26:24 RSV]

Not very encouraging words.

Here's the thing. If Nancy Pelosi wants to call herself a Catholic, that is a right given her by the Catholic Church by virtue of her Baptism and in her case I'm presuming her Confirmation as well. I would think Catholics would rather see her sticking around where she has the Sacraments of Reconciliation and Anointing available to her at some point just as they do. Rather than if she is indeed viewed as not in full communion, to then drive her further away and have her go elsewhere. Once a person is driven elsewhere, they might never return. But I may never understand the whole concept of those who think differently and believe she should refrain from calling herself a Catholic or should leave.

And how much scandal should the Church have to put up with? How many very foolish Catholics have sided with her? She`s encouraging the "Gay" "Rights" activists to keep shouting and threatening. Our Lord, Himself, mentioned millstones.
We`ll all have to give an account of ourselves. That includes you......along with the rest of us on this thread.

As with others here, it`s sickening to see the way the TRUTH can be twisted to suit the agenda of a politician!!! She knows what she`s doing. She knows what the Church teaches. And to have the hide to say that her Catholic faith compels her to take that stand is sicker than sick!
Scripture states that liers and hypocrites, among others (eg adulterers, and that includes practitioners of sodomy who defy the Church), won`t err "make it" into Heaven. God`s quite capable of seeing through deception.

One of the many other titles of the Father of lies is "The Deceiver". Is it a good idea to cooperate with him in that? His promises are worse than empty.

What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul. [Matthew 16:26 NIV]

Politicians are covered by that quote.

Originally Posted by rlg94086

Other options:
"Cafeteria Catholic Answers Forum"
"Heretic Catholic Answers Forum"

Ex-Catholic Apostates Forums? E-CAFs.

Originally Posted by JackHandy

The aforementioned folks are members of the body of Christ by virtue of their being Catholic. By the fruit they bear (their public attitudes and actions), they are very sick and hurting members. I say that the best thing we can do is pray for them and leave everything else up to God to convert them. Of course, as well we obliged to oppose their "lunacy".

Some members of the Body of Christ strike me as being malignant cancer cells. That`s even worse.

Originally Posted by CMatt25

No. From all indications she was baptized in a Catholic church.

That would be the case with a lot of fallen/off-the-rails/ex-Catholics.

Originally Posted by heaintheavy

Excommunicated?!
If the church excommunicated every member who disagreed with a teaching or sinned...well, the congregation would be kinda sparse!

"or sinned"?
That`s why the Church has the Sacrament of Confession.
No sane Catholic believes that we`re not all sinners. But, most of us aren`t PUBLIC SINNERS of the same magnitude as certain public figures. There`s the scandal.
The Church is held up for public ridicule, and made to look like a toothless tiger.

[CMatt25]

Originally Posted by heaintheavy

Excommunicated?!
If the church excommunicated every member who disagreed with a teaching or sinned...well, the congregation would be kinda sparse!

That might be the goal. The Pope said something at one time about smaller but purer.

[Elizabeth502]

It is sinful to specualte on the sinfulness of any other person: that's called rash judgment. The sinfulness of public officials is not the issue. We also have to assume that it's not necessarily any greater than the sinfulness of the rest of the human race.

The issue is the public representation of what is or is not an authentically Catholic viewpoint. Individuals baptized in the faith do not privately decide what authentic Catholic teaching is. That's why there's catechesis for children and for adults. That's why there are abundant documents explaining that teaching by people formally trained in apologetics. That's why it is both a privilege and a responsibility for a Confirmed Catholic to become fully informed about that teaching, and to correct one's own private misunderstandings.

Nor is the issue her technically Catholic identity. Her identity is fully Catholic; her representation of Church teachings is decidedly un-Catholic. The two realities are not necessarily interdependent. She doesn't have "more" credibility as to the accuracy of her statements "because" she was baptized a Catholic and still practices her faith.

And the remedy for public miscommunication is public correction, not excommunication.

[jsaldar]

Power corrupts. Our politicians are twisting their own faith in order to remain in power and gain even more power. They mold their views around popular opinion to gain acceptance.

Since gay pride and gay marriage is being promoted by most media, a lot of people are believing this lie. They don't recognize that the reason that perhaps this lie is so abundantly promoted is because there are a lot of gays running the media's upper management positions.Therefore, they are promoting their views upon millions, daily.

[CMatt25]

Originally Posted by CatholicBoy1957

But it appears that you wrote just that. You wrote, " not as confident that if ... Nancy Pelosi was here...could identify as such". She couldn't identify as such if she were here, but she's not here, and she can clearly identify as such. So why the difference?

There is no difference if she identifies herself as a Catholic now which so many of you assure me you have no problem with based on Church teaching and her Baptism. Or if she were saying the same things here and yet as you say she couldn't identify as such here. Yet the same teaching I would think would apply here. That's why I said "not to me". It should make no difference where she was. I know you would be worried about scandal if she were here but you're claiming she's causing scandal now. The contradiction makes no sense whatsoever. If she's a Catholic now based on Church teaching and her Baptism, I would think she should certainly be one here too since it is the Catholic answer that she is.

[JimG]

Politicians like Pelosi, Biden, and many others who are nominally Catholic yet espouse positions which are antithetical to Catholic morality, are sort of living oxymorons. It's hard to take seriously someone who says "I'm a Catholic, and I'm pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, and favor forcing Catholic institutions to violate their conscience." They try to hold two opposite ideas in their mind as being equally true, and I don't know how they can do that. Nor do I see how the media can take them seriously when they in effect advocate opposite positions simultaneously.

No one would take Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church as representing actual Baptists. Nor should anyone take Pelosi as representing Catholic morality.

I really think that the greater danger is not so much politicians like Pelosi, as organizatios like "Catholics United" which purports to be Catholic while advocating for policies and politicians antithetical to Catholic morality, trying to give anti-Catholic positions respectability.

[Crescentinus]

Originally Posted by Dymphna82

Voris brings sanity to my life.

The power of Voris is awesome.