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Old May 11, '12, 12:37 pm
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When you and Julie Mae go public, become political leaders in Congress, and have a private session with the Pope, you'll make the excom list, fair enough?

Common sense should be able to tell you there is a world of difference in the effect she has on people's lives and the effect you or I have, as non-public figures.
Reread Julia Mae's post. I know you've read many of mine. Not that you see "Catholic" in my profile though. But just so I understand, one must go public AND be a poltical figure AND meet with the Pope?
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Old May 11, '12, 12:39 pm
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Well excuse me, but it seems I've been ambushed on multiple forums this week. I thought that in all places, I could rest my weary soul on the Catholic forum and have a discussion without some newb calling me a Pharisee. How insulting is that? And yes, I suffer with my mental health and could do without being called the Christian equivalent of Hitler.

I guess I can only have some peaceful discourse with my priest. Gotta deal with arrogant folk like you here.
I know your pain.
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Old May 11, '12, 12:42 pm
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I'm not sure if anyone caught this. I think it's fair to say that she effectively excommunicated herself, not?
I caught it. So being the public figure she is, why would she be given Communion if she attends Mass and indeed approaches to receive?
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If Nancy Pelosi is denied Communion, but someone with a less known face but with her same political views is not, how does that preserve the Sacrament?
No priest can screen everyone for their views. I saw an article just yesterday, where someone way denied communion because they were openly gay. And so many who aren't Catholic were mad about it. They must have made it obvious if the priest had the time to say no? Pelosi has done this on national, no, international television, which to me, means she has no shame in it at all.
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Old May 11, '12, 12:44 pm
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Can she be excommunicated, please? Please, please, pretty please?
Easier to get her voted out of office, I think?

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Old May 11, '12, 12:58 pm
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You know this exactly how? Don't you believe in miracles? No one with the exception of God Himself knows another's heart and certainly none of us here on earth know when another might repent.
I would be greatly surprised but I'd be happy to see it happen. My guess is that Obama, Biden and Pelosi will support gay marriage until the elections are over, and then get very quiet about it again, then when one of the Dems needs the gays for some sort of strategy, they'll bring it up again. That's how it always seems to go.

I just don't see her as someone who respects the Church at all. We can pray that changes though.
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Don't you dare...


I dunno what that is but its cuteness makes me slightly less miserable. So cute.
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I am often of the opinion that when people on this forum (and in general) get adversarial, they forget that the "other side" is not necessarily exclusively wrong. Often times (but not always), there's something to be learned from both sides of an argument.

I really hope that happens here, that we develop understanding of each other, rather than resort to demonizing each other into twisted caricatures in our minds.
Amen!
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Amen!
Hallelujah! And high five!
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Easier to get her voted out of office, I think?

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Apparently, you aren't familiar with the political demographics of San Francisco. Getting formally excommunicated is much easier than getting Nancy Pelosi voted out.
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Old May 11, '12, 2:21 pm
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Apparently, you aren't familiar with the political demographics of San Francisco. Getting formally excommunicated is much easier than getting Nancy Pelosi voted out.
Heh.

It's illegal to put recyclables in your trash here (the fines are steep, too), but we have virtually no indecent exposure laws. I mean, you can literally walk through the city nude, except the parks for some odd reason. If you sit (on a bench, bus seat, etc.), you do have to bring a towel for sanitation purposes, though.
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Heh.

It's illegal to put recyclables in your trash here (the fines are steep, too), but we have virtually no indecent exposure laws. I mean, you can literally walk through the city nude, except the parks for some odd reason. If you sit (on a bench, bus seat, etc.), you do have to bring a towel for sanitation purposes, though.
When my very liberal brother lived in San Francisco (he's in Berserkely now), he would vote third party just because the sense of entitlement of Democratic candidates disgusted him.
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Her bishop obviously does not think that her pronouncements are a cause for scandal.

I may disagree but so what.

Her bishop needs to grow a backbone. Am assuming she is still under the archdiocese of san francisco and not one in washington. Excommunicating Pelosi and others like her will send a clear message to the public that she no backing when it comes to matters of the Catholic Faith and regardless of whatever political powers she thinks she weilds, as a catholic she is still subject to authority.
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Apparently, you aren't familiar with the political demographics of San Francisco. Getting formally excommunicated is much easier than getting Nancy Pelosi voted out.
Apparently not familiar.

Is her district small, so that the number of people she's given favors too, ends up being more than 45% of the district, thereby locking her re-election?

Barny Frank had such a district, but had to resign when it was redone because of the loss of one congressional seat.

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Not quite sure what you're talking about, he's publicly called her on her pronouncements on several occasions, and he's invited her to discuss these grave issues personally.
What I was talking about is that Nancy Pelosi has been in Congress for 25 years and has spoken in favor of abortion for those years. Over the years I have heard that her Bishop has invited her to speak with him, she claims they are in frequent contact. I have not noticed a change in her public statements, in fact the statements seem to drift futher away from the positions of the church. I believe she is still eligible for the sacraments and is a Catholic in good standing according to her Bishop.

I have read that Kathleen Sebelius, who holds similar public views, was told by her Bishop not to present herself for Communion several years ago.

If someone is at odds with a major moral doctrine, such as abortion, I have to wonder how many years might be required in order to come to agreement or agree to disagree and part ways.
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