Traditional Orders' Ordaining Bishops?

Geremia · #1 May 12, '12, 10:04 am

Who are the all the bishops who have ordained priests for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Petter (FSSP), the Institute of Christ the King (ICKSP), and the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX)? Thanks

wasserfall · #2 May 12, '12, 10:57 am

There are very many.
It would be a good bit of work to try to compile an exhaustive list.

malphono · #3 May 12, '12, 12:05 pm

The SSPX has bishops in the Society, so the list is really rather short.

A list for the ICRSS and FFSP (and a few others, including some Abbeys & monasteries) would indeed be difficult, to say the least, to compile.

1AugustSon7 · #4 May 12, '12, 12:07 pm

I imagine there are at least a dozen who actively do it, with many more (bishops) at times participating in the episcopal consecration - I think generally or normatively there is supposed to be at least three.

newyorkcatholic · #5 May 12, '12, 12:08 pm

Burke has done it. I think Bruskewitz has as well.

Not an easy thing to compile, but I'd start with googling ordinations and looking for the bishops' names in the articles.

Or calling an FSSP priest and then an ICK priest ... they might be able to rattle of the names pretty easily.

YoungTradCath · #6 May 12, '12, 6:54 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geremia

Who are the all the bishops who have ordained priests for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Petter (FSSP), the Institute of Christ the King (ICKSP), and the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX)? Thanks

For the FSSP, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz does the majority of the ordinations for the American seminary. He is the bishop of Lincoln, Nebraska, where the seminary is located.

For the ICRSS (ICKSP), Cardinal Burke has done many ordinations.

The SSPX has four bishops of their own to ordain men:

Bernard Tissier de Mallerais
Alfonso de Galarreta
Richard Williamson
Bernard Fellay (superior)

tradcathusa · #7 May 12, '12, 7:06 pm

Next Saturday Bishop Bruskewitz will be ordaining a group of deacons to the priesthood in Denton Nebraska. Watch it live at 11:00 am on http://www.livemass.org/
Father Goodwin will give step by step explanations live on the broadcast of what is taking place. If you know any novus ordo seminarians, you may want them to see this ( for educational purposes). Tell them they will need to go to the basement and lock the door so they won't get caught.

TrueLight · #8 May 12, '12, 7:10 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tradcathusa

If you know any novus ordo seminarians, you may want them to see this ( for educational purposes). Tell them they will need to go to the basement and lock the door so they won't get caught.

curlycool89 · #9 May 12, '12, 7:13 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoungTradCath

For the FSSP, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz does the majority of the ordinations for the American seminary. He is the bishop of Lincoln, Nebraska, where the seminary is located.

I would imagine that this is the case for any order or congregation (or society) that does not have a bishop (nearby, available, or at all). A society does not need it's own bishops for ordinations, nor does the bishop who ordains the men need to be associated with the society.

A good example is a priest at our university, who is a member of a religious congregation. He was ordained to the diaconate by the bishop emeritus of our diocese. I've been told that the paperwork was huge to get it done:
Superior of the congregation gives permission to bishop emeritus to ordain one of his men, bishop of diocese gives permission to perform an ordination in his diocese, bishop emeritus needed permission from the Holy See I believe also (to perform an ordination? I'm not sure). The nuncio apparently got involved at some point. And that was to ordain one man to the diaconate.

JReducation · #10 May 12, '12, 8:20 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tradcathusa

Next Saturday Bishop Bruskewitz will be ordaining a group of deacons to the priesthood in Denton Nebraska. Watch it live at 11:00 am on http://www.livemass.org/
Father Goodwin will give step by step explanations live on the broadcast of what is taking place. If you know any novus ordo seminarians, you may want them to see this ( for educational purposes). Tell them they will need to go to the basement and lock the door so they won't get caught.

That's not a necessary warning. We don't penalize our men in formation for such things. The truth is that those who enter diocesan seminaries are quite free to lean in either direction and encouraged to embrace both forms of the liturgy.

Those who enter religious communities know in advance the position of the community and what is allowed and not allowed, but they are not deprived of knowing. We allow one of our priests to celebrate the EF when the superior wishes it. He knew that coming in. However, all of us, including me, were trained by the FSSP to celebrate the EF. It's part of general Catholic culture.

Thanks for the link. I'll show it to the novices.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV

Megan7 · #11 May 12, '12, 8:42 pm

Dear Brother JR,

Thanks for your post!

I have a question for you & or anyone out there in the know.

If the FSSP started in the late 1980's, right? Why don't they have their own Bishop?
How does that work?

Also, I heard that the Bishop in Lincoln, Nebraska will be retiring soon, who will
be replacing him? And since the Seminary is nearby, what happens if they get a new Bishop who does not favor the TLM/EF? Then what

How would that work?

It seems that the Lincoln Bishop is supportive of them & on the conservative
side of things. What happens if they get someone totally different ?

That is why I was thinking, would it not be better if they just had their own Bishop ?

Again, I am thinking out loud here, I do not know too much about how Bishops get assigned, but I have heard that some do not favor the TLM/EF....

I do not
mean any disrespect

Sorry, if someone takes it that way.

Anyway, thanks for any input you can give me on this topic.

Thank you for always ministering to us, teaching us, with wisdom, patience & kindness!

God Bless you!

PAX,

Megan

Quote:

Originally Posted by JReducation

That's not a necessary warning. We don't penalize our men in formation for such things. The truth is that those who enter diocesan seminaries are quite free to lean in either direction and encouraged to embrace both forms of the liturgy.

Those who enter religious communities know in advance the position of the community and what is allowed and not allowed, but they are not deprived of knowing. We allow one of our priests to celebrate the EF when the superior wishes it. He knew that coming in. However, all of us, including me, were trained by the FSSP to celebrate the EF. It's part of general Catholic culture.

Thanks for the link. I'll show it to the novices.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV

**Friar David, O.Carm** · #12 May 12, '12, 8:49 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megan7

If the FSSP started in the late 1980's, right? Why don't they have their own Bishop?
How does that work?

Simple answer is that religious institutes do not get bishops. A bishops job is to run a diocese. A major religious superior runs a religious institute and is the ordinary for that institute. He calls men to orders and then requests that a bishop do the ordaining. The bishop can not really turn him down.

JReducation · #13 May 12, '12, 9:11 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megan7

Dear Brother JR,

Thanks for your post!

I have a question for you & or anyone out there in the know.

If the FSSP started in the late 1980's, right? Why don't they have their own Bishop?
How does that work?

Also, I heard that the Bishop in Lincoln, Nebraska will be retiring soon, who will
be replacing him? And since the Seminary is nearby, what happens if they get a new Bishop who does not favor the TLM/EF? Then what

How would that work?

It seems that the Lincoln Bishop is supportive of them & on the conservative
side of things. What happens if they get someone totally different ?

That is why I was thinking, would it not be better if they just had their own Bishop ?

Again, I am thinking out loud here, I do not know too much about how Bishops get assigned, but I have heard that some do not favor the TLM/EF....

I do not
mean any disrespect

Sorry, if someone takes it that way.

Anyway, thanks for any input you can give me on this topic.

Thank you for always ministering to us, teaching us, with wisdom, patience & kindness!

God Bless you!

PAX,

Megan

Brother David is correct. FSSP is a society of apostolic life. They are in a group of societies including:

Maryknoll (men only, the women are consecrated religious, but not the men)
SOLT (Fr. Corapi's community)
Missionhurst
Holy Cross (Opus Dei)
Daughters of Charity (can't have bishops there)
Schoenstatt Sisters (can't have bishop there)
ICRSS
De La Salle Christian Brothers (can't have bishops there either)

All of these are societies of secular men, women or both that come together for the sake of a particular apostolate and have some kind of bond that unites them as a community, without being consecrated religious, but independent of the diocese. Bishops are intended to run Churches. A society is not a Church. Every bishop is the head of a Church, even if it's a dead Church. We call these titular bishops.

The idea of a bishop at the head of society was something that Archbishop Lefebvre created. But it was not his intention to do so. Originally, all he wanted to do was to run a seminary for traditional seminarians. The SSPX exploded out of there. I'm not even sure how Rome even allowed him to be the superior of a society. My only guess is that it may have been allowed because he was a retired religious.

If a bishop is a religious, when he retires, he is free to return to his community. Since he was available to do the job and the Congregation of the Spiritans, which was his religious community had no objections, they probably figured it was OK to let him be the superior of the new society. I don't know the details of how he got past the canonical requirements that a society be governed by one of its own.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

Megan7 · #14 May 12, '12, 9:25 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ByzCath

Simple answer is that religious institutes do not get bishops. A bishops job is to run a diocese. A major religious superior runs a religious institute and is the ordinary for that institute. He calls men to orders and then requests that a bishop do the ordaining. The bishop can not really turn him down.

Thank you Brother David

I appreciate your help.

God Bless you,

PAX,

Megan

wasserfall · #15 May 12, '12, 11:19 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megan7

Also, I heard that the Bishop in Lincoln, Nebraska will be retiring soon, who will
be replacing him? And since the Seminary is nearby, what happens if they get a new Bishop who does not favor the TLM/EF? Then what

How would that work?

It seems that the Lincoln Bishop is supportive of them & on the conservative
side of things. What happens if they get someone totally different ?

This is not going to happen. It is quite likely that some priest of the diocese of Lincoln will be chosen as the new bishop and they have all been formed by Bishop Bruskewitz. (He established a new seminary in the diocese so he could personally take charge of the formation of his seminarians -- It kind of reminds me of St. Alphonsus Liguori, who personally taught lessons to his seminarians when he was a diocesan bishop).