A priest's homily on GAY MARRIAGE.

Debora123 · #1 May 13, '12, 9:06 pm

Listen to this very interesting homily on gay marriage and how to respond to gay marriage arguments. It's 18 minutes long, but definitely worth the time.

http://ourladyofwisdom.org/2012/05/1...f-easter-2012/

MidnightSun12 · #2 May 13, '12, 10:10 pm

Good homily! Very logically sound argument from a priest who is clearly well-informed on the Catholic faith.

Unfortunately, the opposing side of this viewpoint is very much one that is based on an intense emotional reaction to something that they know (deep down) is very wrong. The inevitable response to a homily such as this is one that is designed to shut down debate through the very accusations of bigotry that this homily was talking about...

VeritasLuxMea · #3 May 13, '12, 10:44 pm

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Originally Posted by MidnightSun12

Good homily! Very logically sound argument from a priest who is clearly well-informed on the Catholic faith.

Unfortunately, the opposing side of this viewpoint is very much one that is based on an intense emotional reaction to something that they know (deep down) is very wrong. The inevitable response to a homily such as this is one that is designed to shut down debate through the very accusations of bigotry that this homily was talking about...

Alright with everything else but it's uncharitable to challenge their honesty like that.

MidnightSun12 · #4 May 13, '12, 11:00 pm

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Alright with everything else but do it is uncharitable to challenge their honesty like that.

Unfortunately, the argument by it's very nature is one that is based out of dishonesty since it goes against objective truth (gay marriage is an intrinsic evil, afterall).

That said, you are right that my implication that pro-gay marriage groups will always make accusations of bigotry was likely rash judgment on my part. For that I apologize and I appreciate the correction

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Debora123 · #5 May 14, '12, 8:50 am

"Marriage" is between a man and a women. If they want to be together for life and have all the same benefits, tax breaks, joint account, etc etc... they should come up with a word of their own. But MARRIAGE already has a specific definition.

**Holly3278** · #6 May 15, '12, 6:19 pm

I tried to play it and got a "File not found" error.

RyanBlack · #7 May 15, '12, 6:33 pm

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Originally Posted by MidnightSun12

Unfortunately, the argument by it's very nature is one that is based out of dishonesty since it goes against objective truth (gay marriage is an intrinsic evil, afterall).

That said, you are right that my implication that pro-gay marriage groups will always make accusations of bigotry was likely rash judgment on my part. For that I apologize and I appreciate the correction

.

Just because one makes an argument that is objectively incorrect does not mean that the argument is "based out of dishonesty." In fact, it may very well be made from a position of very sincerely held belief. I think you would do better to state something like "the argument by its very nature is one that is based on an incorrect premise." To state that an argument "is based out of dishonesty" suggests that the argument is being made with the intent to deceive, when this may very well not be the case. In fact, in my experience, those who support same-sex "marriage" do so from a position of very sincerely held belief.

Debora123 · #8 May 15, '12, 6:44 pm

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Originally Posted by Holly3278

I tried to play it and got a "File not found" error.

Really?? Hm that's weird.

I tried it again just now and it worked perfectly fine for me. It's a shame you aren't able to listen to it. It is really good.

theblindlead · #9 May 15, '12, 10:05 pm

thanks for posting great homily

MidnightSun12 · #10 May 16, '12, 5:13 pm

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Originally Posted by RyanBlack

Just because one makes an argument that is objectively incorrect does not mean that the argument is "based out of dishonesty." In fact, it may very well be made from a position of very sincerely held belief. I think you would do better to state something like "the argument by its very nature is one that is based on an incorrect premise." To state that an argument "is based out of dishonesty" suggests that the argument is being made with the intent to deceive, when this may very well not be the case. In fact, in my experience, those who support same-sex "marriage" do so from a position of very sincerely held belief.

You bring up a valid point. I retract my previous comment!

Corpus Cristi · #11 May 18, '12, 5:44 pm

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Originally Posted by MidnightSun12

Unfortunately, the argument by it's very nature is one that is based out of dishonesty since it goes against objective truth (gay marriage is an intrinsic evil, afterall).

That said, you are right that my implication that pro-gay marriage groups will always make accusations of bigotry was likely rash judgment on my part. For that I apologize and I appreciate the correction

.

Ontological impossibility ≠ intrinsic evil. Abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and euthanasia are intrinsically evil because they violate . The simulation of a sacrament (ie. two same-sex parties being joined in "marriage", oreos and milk being used for elements of consecration, communion at a Protestant service, etc.) are not evil. They just don't work because that's not how God intended for the sacraments to be confected. One should not partake of them, that would be bad, but that is not to say that the group of kids playing mass are somehow being sacrilegious or engaging in an "evil" activity, anymore than the Lutheran minister who performs a communion service. I think you're conflating same sex sexual activity with same sex marriage. Same sex sexual activity is a grave sin, yes. It does not logically follow that since same sex sexual activity is a grave sin that same sex "marriage" bears the same penalty of sin that the ss sexual activity does. They're two separate acts/events and don't mirror or equal each other.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

timwatt · #12 May 22, '12, 3:57 pm

My priest also did a very good homily on President Obama's manipulation of the golden rule as justification for his stance on gay marriage. Here is the Youtube video:

Fr. Mario's Homily - Clarifying the Golden Rule and Gay Marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAGZAIV2rsE

MidnightSun12 · #13 May 22, '12, 5:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Corpus Cristi

Ontological impossibility ≠ intrinsic evil. Abortion, embryonic stem cell research, and euthanasia are intrinsically evil because they violate . The simulation of a sacrament (ie. two same-sex parties being joined in "marriage", oreos and milk being used for elements of consecration, communion at a Protestant service, etc.) are not evil. They just don't work because that's not how God intended for the sacraments to be confected. One should not partake of them, that would be bad, but that is not to say that the group of kids playing mass are somehow being sacrilegious or engaging in an "evil" activity, anymore than the Lutheran minister who performs a communion service. I think you're conflating same sex sexual activity with same sex marriage. Same sex sexual activity is a grave sin, yes. It does not logically follow that since same sex sexual activity is a grave sin that same sex "marriage" bears the same penalty of sin that the ss sexual activity does. They're two separate acts/events and don't mirror or equal each other.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

As long as we're not implying that same-sex marriage could ever be OK then I'm fine with letting the matter rest!

Debora123 · #14 May 22, '12, 5:52 pm

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Originally Posted by timwatt

My priest also did a very good homily on President Obama's manipulation of the golden rule as justification for his stance on gay marriage. Here is the Youtube video:

Fr. Mario's Homily - Clarifying the Golden Rule and Gay Marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAGZAIV2rsE

That was pretty awesome. Thanks for posting that!