What was God doing before He made the Universe?

[tonydavies]

Originally Posted by Julia Mae

That's actually undemonstrable because of the first thing to remember:

Everything outside of Eternity (the Universe) is nothingness and as there is Eternal Existence that which is not Eternal Existence --> Nothingness. Ergo, one necessitates the other.

Which writings by what mystic have you been ignoring?

Dear Julie Mae, you err in your equating Eternity with Universe. Only God may have the attribute proper of Eternal existence, not the Universe, for the Universe came into being at a point, it has not always existed, only God has always existed.

Then you err a second time with stating that existence must be either eternal or nothing. Existence can be eternal - God and God alone is attributed with that quality, and existence can also begin at a point - creation is attributed with this quality. There is not an either/or attribute to eternity and existence.

[Julia Mae]

Originally Posted by tonydavies

Dear Julie Mae, you err in your equating Eternity with Universe.

I didn't. Quite the opposite:

Originally Posted by Julia Mae
That's actually undemonstrable because of the first thing to remember:

Everything outside of Eternity (the Universe) is nothingness and as there is Eternal Existence that which is not Eternal Existence --> Nothingness. Ergo, one necessitates the other.

Everything OUTSIDE of Eternity (the Universe)... Everything that is outside of, or not part of, Eternity, is the Universe. The parenthetical refers to the preceding phrase. Sorry I was not more clear.

[tonyrey]

Originally Posted by Godmachine

There is a story that I remember hearing way back when I believed, a story of a war in Heaven and a fallen angel who was once God's favorite. The story never made much sense to me, but then it was just a story.

It's been a long time since I heard a good bedtime story. Does anyone remember the story of the fallen angel? Perhaps if I were to hear it again, it might make sense this time.....

Has no one ever rejected you?

[johnnyjones]

"Nothingness" is a word to help us understand the opposite of what is now visibly created. There was never truly nothingness from God's "perspective" because God is something.

I suppose because we most often speak from our vantage point, "nothingness" becomes a word that is part of our lexicon for a deeper understanding.

God the Father, Son and Spirit were loving in all their wisdom before any creation. It can be hard to wrap our human minds around that.

[tonyrey]

Originally Posted by johnnyjones

"Nothingness" is a word to help us understand the opposite of what is now visibly created. There was never truly nothingness from God's "perspective" because God is something.

I suppose because we most often speak from our vantage point, "nothingness" becomes a word that is part of our lexicon for a deeper understanding.

God the Father, Son and Spirit were loving in all their wisdom before any creation. It can be hard to wrap our human minds around that.

Not if we are deeply convinced love is more important and more powerful than anything else in the whole of Creation.

[johnnyjones]

Originally Posted by tonyrey

Not if we are deeply convinced love is more important and more powerful than anything else in the whole of Creation.

God is love, and has always existed with perfect love. Not sure where you have a disagreement with my previous post.

[tonyrey]

Originally Posted by johnnyjones

God is love, and has always existed with perfect love. Not sure where you have a disagreement with my previous post.

I don't!