What if a "Gay Gene" exists? - Page 4

**buffalo** · #46 May 16, '12, 9:12 am

Humans have many deleterious mutations. We are all called to a higher moral code and behavior.

ahs · #47 May 16, '12, 9:17 am

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Originally Posted by voctor09

Does that change how we have to look at homosexuals?

The way it would appear to me is that if homosexuality is genetic, then it is not chosen or caused by outside factors. Would that mean that God has made someone gay? And if so, does that mean we have to acknowledge that homosexuality is natural, since how could we question the intentions of God if he chooses to make people gay?

Edit: I don't intend to make all my posts here about homosexuality. Just an issue that has raised a lot of questions concerning my faith.

I really like the two answers below:

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Originally Posted by Stylites

Suppose there's a genetic component to anger and having a short fuse, but that doesn't forgive someone for acting on their impulse and lashing out. Suppose there's a genetic component to being a big bully and making everyone else frightened of them; again that doesn't forgive those who are compelled to act like bullies.

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Originally Posted by buffalo

Humans have many deleterious mutations. We are all called to a higher moral code and behavior.

**po18guy** · #48 May 16, '12, 12:03 pm

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Originally Posted by buffalo

Humans have many deleterious mutations. We are all called to a higher moral code and behavior.

Well said.

Those with cancer suffer from a genetic mutation within certain cells of their bodies. Should they then seek out the fulness of cancer? Or is it more life-affirming to resist the effects of that mutation?

We retain the ability to say yes or no to any thought or action.

**buffalo** · #49 May 16, '12, 12:06 pm

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Well said.

Those with cancer suffer from a genetic mutation within certain cells of their bodies. Should they then seek out the fulness of cancer? Or is it more life-affirming to resist the effects of that mutation?

We retain the ability to say yes or no to any thought or action.

There is another aspect to this. If a mutation was found should we invest in research to thwart the mutation? If a pill was found would sales boom?

**po18guy** · #50 May 16, '12, 12:52 pm

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Originally Posted by buffalo

There is another aspect to this. If a mutation was found should we invest in research to thwart the mutation? If a pill was found would sales boom?

Our culture would assert that the mutation was a product of the natural law, and should be respected - conveniently ignoring that homosexual activity opposes that same natural law. Disobedience always seeks justification.

Charlemagne II · #51 May 16, '12, 1:40 pm

What is a gay gene DOESN'T exist?

I expect they prefer that it does exist. Then they can blame sodomy on nature rather than themselves.

voctor09 · #52 May 16, '12, 2:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Stylites

Suppose there's a genetic component to anger and having a short fuse, but that doesn't forgive someone for acting on their impulse and lashing out. Suppose there's a genetic component to being a big bully and making everyone else frightened of them; again that doesn't forgive those who are compelled to act like bullies.

My thoughts on this and every other "What if" example regarding terrible things like anger, rape, alcoholism, etc. is that the fulfillment of such desires physically hurts others or oneself.

The fulfillment of homosexuality would be a life-partner of the same gender, someone with whom the homosexual would love the same way I would love my wife. And my thinking is that if there is real love between two people (hetero or homo) then that love is a manifestation of God. And if we can somehow prove scientifically God has hardwired people to hetero AND homo love, then that love is what God intended all along and we're all terribly wrong for discriminating.

voctor09 · #53 May 16, '12, 3:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Elizium23

While same-sex attraction is not a choice for people who were born with it, or find themselves struggling with it as they reach adulthood, homosexual behavior is a choice that can certainly be suppressed if one wishes to lead a sinless life of chastity as called by God and the Church. Those with deeply ingrained disordered desires for pedophilia or bestiality or adultery, or masturbation are likewise called to contain those urges, and seek forgiveness and repentance if they do act upon them, so it is the same.

I actually fear what will happen to the unborn if a "gay gene" is discovered. Will selective abortion be chosen for parents who don't want a gay child? This would be a tragedy in itself if gay people experience a holocaust of their own.

You make several good points. I think we can agree that homosexual behavior is not a choice. The question then becomes is it morally right to choose to act to be gay? My argument is that if God has deliberately made someone gay, then yes, it should be right because the natural fulfillment of two homosexual people would be love just like two hetero people

Your other point is troubling, but I think has more closely related to whether or not abortion should be legal. If we eventually get to the point where we can abort the unborn based on undesirable characteristics, then I think we have no hope as a society.

But to further the point, the reason homosexuality would be deemed undesirable hypothetically the cause for abortion is because we as a society have deemed it undesirable to begin with. And unfortunately I think a lot of well intentioned Christians are to blame for our stigma of homosexuality that leads to gay people killing themselves today and could eventually lead to the scenario you describe.

Kc906 · #54 May 16, '12, 3:21 pm

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Originally Posted by voctor09

You make several good points. I think we can agree that homosexual behavior is not a choice.

But to further the point, the reason homosexuality would be deemed undesirable hypothetically the cause for abortion is because we as a society have deemed it undesirable to begin with. And unfortunately I think a lot of well intentioned Christians are to blame for our stigma of homosexuality that leads to gay people killing themselves today and could eventually lead to the scenario you describe.

I heard a really wise saying on the Radio a few months back which really helped my stance on the issue. If there were really a Homosexual Gene that "caused" people to be Gay (born a Homosexual,) then there would not be 1 recorded incident in history of a Homosexual human being suddenly changing their ways and views and marrying someone of the opposite sex.

If it is not a choice, then everyone who was born a homosexual would always be a homosexual, there would not be any exceptions. There are plenty of conversion stories of course; of people who lived and practiced a Homosexual lifestyle and suddenly stopped at some point in their life.

I for example was born a Heterosexual; I have not had 1 Homosexual experience in my life. If I went out tomorrow and suddenly "had relations" with a person of my same gender, that would be my choice. In the eyes and words of God in scripture, he declares the "homosexual act" a sin; it is a sexual sin (life Fornication, Masturbation, etc.) We should all love and pray for any people that practice this lifestyle, because it is openly disobeying the wish of the Almighty.

Kc906 · #55 May 16, '12, 3:26 pm

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Originally Posted by voctor09

You make several good points. I think we can agree that homosexual behavior is not a choice.

But to further the point, the reason homosexuality would be deemed undesirable hypothetically the cause for abortion is because we as a society have deemed it undesirable to begin with. And unfortunately I think a lot of well intentioned Christians are to blame for our stigma of homosexuality that leads to gay people killing themselves today and could eventually lead to the scenario you describe.

I heard a really wise saying on the radio a few months back; at least I thought it was. If there were really a Homosexual Gene that "caused" people to be Gay (born a Homosexual,) then there would not be 1 recorded incident in history of a Homosexual human being suddenly changing their ways and views and marrying someone of the opposite sex.

If it is not a choice, then everyone who was born a homosexual would always be a homosexual, there would not be any exceptions. There are plenty of conversion stories of course; of people who lived and practiced a Homosexual lifestyle and suddenly stopped at some point in their life.

I for example was born a Heterosexual; I have not had 1 Homosexual experience in my life. If I went out tomorrow and suddenly "had relations" with a person of my same gender, that would be my choice. In the eyes and words of God in scripture, he declares the "homosexual act" a sin; it is a sexual sin (life Fornication, Masturbation, etc.) We should all love and pray for any people that practice this lifestyle, because it is openly disobeying the wish of the Almighty.

**buffalo** · #56 May 16, '12, 3:28 pm

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Originally Posted by voctor09

You make several good points. I think we can agree that homosexual behavior is not a choice. The question then becomes is it morally right to choose to act to be gay? My argument is that if God has deliberately made someone gay, then yes, it should be right because the natural fulfillment of two homosexual people would be love just like two hetero people

Your other point is troubling, but I think has more closely related to whether or not abortion should be legal. If we eventually get to the point where we can abort the unborn based on undesirable characteristics, then I think we have no hope as a society.

But to further the point, the reason homosexuality would be deemed undesirable hypothetically the cause for abortion is because we as a society have deemed it undesirable to begin with. And unfortunately I think a lot of well intentioned Christians are to blame for our stigma of homosexuality that leads to gay people killing themselves today and could eventually lead to the scenario you describe.

God did not create Adam and Eve and Steve. Adam and Eve only, male and female He created them.

After the fall sin and corruption entered the world. God does not create someone homosexual.

PumpkinSeed · #57 May 16, '12, 3:34 pm

There is no such thing as a gay 'gene'.

However whether people are born gay or not, the church has called them to chastity. They can still be saved and still be in the church but they cannot get married or have sex.

I wonder though, what does the church think about gays adopting? Do they allow that? Just curious.

Gabriel Serafin · #58 May 16, '12, 4:23 pm

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What if a "Gay Gene" exists?

Then that means there would have to be a "Pedophile Gene" and a "Zoophile Gene".

In reality, these things begin as thoughts that become temptations, that turn into fantasies, that become actions, that grow into habits, that become obsessions, that end up as addictions, that warp the intellect into demanding legitimacy, and thus the need to parade in public in form of self assurance built upon the lies promoted by the massive propaganda machine called Hollywood.

But no baby was born addicted to gambling, just as no child is born a criminal. The culprit are outside influences. Thus the reason why the vast majority of men in prison come from broken families with no father figures or positive male role models.

Every single person on this planet had a mother; and a loving masculine/feminine, father/mother influence upon a child has everything to do with how they will grow up to be as adults. But even then, there are dangers and pitfalls, as there are so many bad influences that can enslave human nature which has a weakness for sin. Thus the importance of living in the state of grace. If not, you are in danger of demonic enslavement.

But different sins affect different people in different ways. For example, pornography affects all men in some way or another. For some, it pushes them into promiscuity and premarital sex; for others it leads to adultery and broken homes; and for others it leads to a path of becoming a rapist and even a serial killer. Here is a video of serial killer Ted Bundy warning about the harm of pornography and how it perverted his mind into becoming the person he became..

gus · #59 May 16, '12, 4:32 pm

Remember the Law and Order episode were a Dr not only discovers a gay gene but a way to find it in the fetis.
The premise is parents with gays fetis would choose to abort. Especially since families are so small today
It would be a gay genocide. So the Dr was killed by his gay brother to prevent the discovery from getting out.
So discovery of a gene might not be in the best interests of the GL community
Interesting premise

Elizabeth502 · #60 May 16, '12, 4:41 pm

No evidence exists for a homosexual gene -- no matter how many times this subject repeatedly gets introduced on this discussion forum (Hint: several times a year) by posters who apparently have difficulty using the search function.

The bigger issue is that human beings are not automatons. Behavior involves the will; we are not mechanical. Even scientists understand this -- not to mention Catholics educated well in their faith. Human beings have not devolved to the level of the main characters in the film, The Clockwork Orange (yet). Even psychological compulsions do not make particular behaviors inevitable. Compulsions themselves are not mandates; believe it or not -- in this age in which even too many people who profess to be Catholics worship Almighty Science -- we are not controlled by our inclinations, temptations, attractions, preferences, or genes.