The Filioque is accepted by the 3rd Ecumenical Council

[Ubenedictus]

Originally Posted by Vico

I do not care much for the analogical approach of the mirror. How can we say the the eternal uncreated is the same as the created?

nobody say the eternav is same as the created, instead the created mirrors the eternal, the crucifixion show the love of God.

It is certainly a different approach used in the Latin (Tertullian, Ambrose, Augustine, Hilary, Victorinus.) vs. the Greek theology. For example, the scripture describes the mission of the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son. John 4:7, Acts 8:20, Romans 5:5 are quoted by Augustine in this regard. This is clearly that the Holy Spirit is a gift. So based upon this Augustine mirrors, in the eternal, the economy of the gift of the Holy Spirit coming from the "Giver" of the Father and the Son. The Spirit is common to both the Father and the Son. Augustine wrote:

"For the Father is not possessed as Father by the Son and the Holy Spirit in common; because He is not the Father of Both. And the Son is not possessed as Son by the Father and the Holy Spirit in common; because He is not the Son of Both. But the Holy Spirit is possessed as the Spirit by the Father and the Son in common, because He is the One Spirit of Both." -- Sermon XXI, 33.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/160321.htm

But there is not one hypostasis called the Holy Gift Giver. (Therefore there must be spiration as if from one). Photius gave his critique, in that the Holy Spirit is from the Father alone (a patre solo) and from the Son in mission.

another difference between our theology. The catholic church says the father can spirate the spirit thru the son.

The eastern view is typically that the modes of origin differentiate the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by attributes: causality, unbegotteness, and procession.

"...all that the Father has belongs likewise to the Son, except Causality; and all that is the Son's belongs also to the Spirit, except His Sonship,..."
-- On the Arrival of the Egyptians, X, St. Gregory Nazianzus

"...in Three Greatest, namely, the Cause, the Creator, and the Perfecter; I mean the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, who are neither so separated from one another as to be divided in nature, nor so contracted as to be circumscribed by a single person."
-- On the Arrival of the Egyptians, VIII, St. Gregory Nazianzus

http://ww.newadvent.org/fathers/310234.htm

But in the east there were also different opinions such as that of St. John of Damascus and Saint Maximus the Confessor. That the Father projects the Spirit through the Son is the view of St. John of Damascus. But also various positions were taken as to the meaning of "through" and I believe the following is correct.

Filioque: Through = From
Byzantine: Through = Economy
Gregory II of Cyprus: Spirit exists from the Father and has existence through the Son.

he said has his existence thru the son, that doesnt sound like economy.

See: Crisis in Byzantium: The Filioque Controversy in the Patriarchate of Gregory II of Cyprus (1283-1289)
http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=TUBllg0JpgUC

peace

[Shiranui117]

Originally Posted by Ubenedictus

nobody say the eternav is same as the created, instead the created mirrors the eternal, the crucifixion show the love of God.

another difference between our theology. The catholic church says the father can spirate the spirit thru the son.

he said has his existence thru the son, that doesnt sound like economy.

peace

If the Holy Spirit is just a "gift" sent to us from Father and Son, then that means we have a Binitarian God of Father and Son. And there are denominations who have taken this position, namely the "Church of God." You should consider the implications of taking the Filioque to its logical conclusion.

[Vico]

Originally Posted by Ubenedictus

nobody say the eternav is same as the created, instead the created mirrors the eternal, the crucifixion show the love of God.

another difference between our theology. The catholic church says the father can spirate the spirit thru the son.

he said has his existence thru the son, that doesnt sound like economy.

peace

I will correct my statement.

I do not care much for the analogical approach of the mirror. How can we know that the eternal uncreated is a mirror of the created?