Archbishop Vsevolod (Ukrainian Orthodox) & Eastern Catholics

[Byz Guy]

I was reading a lecture given by Archbishop Vsevolod (Ukrainian Orthodox) in 1997 called "What About the Roman Primacy?" and came across this point which I thought was well made as something that needed to be addressed in the ecumenical dialogue:

4. The resolution of the discrepancy between the assurances
given to the Orthodox in ecumenical dialogue, and the practical
situation of the Eastern Catholics within the Roman Communion.

I have discussed this several times and at length; there is no
need to belabor the point here. Actions speak louder than words. There
are numerous contradictions between the beautiful, high-sounding assurances
given to the Orthodox in our ecumenical contacts with the
Catholic Church, and the practical reality experienced by the Eastern
Catholics. There is a powerful myth to the effect that Eastern Orthodox
and Eastern Catholics never speak to each other. That is nonsense. To
take a cogent example, the Eastern Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch
and the Greek-Catholic Patriarchate of Antioch both have their central
offices in Damascus and it is no more than a five-minute walk from
one to the other. The two Patriarchs meet quite often, and so do the
hierarchs, clergy, monastics and faithful. Comparing notes as to the
discrepancies in what Rome says and does with regard to these communities
is a frequent pastime, and these discrepancies encourage an
unfortunate cynicism.

In Rome itself, the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian
Unity, and the Congregation for the Eastern [Catholic] Churches are
located on the same block, literally around the corner from each other.
Some officials of the Roman Curia serve on both dicasteries. Why, then,
do we find these inconsistencies?

At any rate, I thought the article good and worth the time reading:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95109386/R...imacy-Vsevolod

[jeannetherese]

I wonder if you've thought to look for more recent material? 1997 is almost a generation ago. Pope Benedict was not yet a Pope and much has happened since then.
Perhaps I am confusing my Archbishops, but Archbishop Vsevolod seems to have passed away in 2007.
http://www.uocofusa.org/news_071229_1.html
May God bless us all and guide us to the unity he desires. Amen

[Hesychios]

Originally Posted by jeannetherese

I wonder if you've thought to look for more recent material? 1997 is almost a generation ago. ...

Are you suggesting the Orthodox and Eastern Catholics are no longer talking together, no longer comparing notes on the discrepancies between what Rome says and how it treats the Eastern Catholics??

[jeannetherese]

Not at all. I was hoping to avoid creating the impression that there might not have been movement and communication between 1997 and the present. There was no offense intended and I apologize for any offense taken due to my wording. I know through Eastern Catholic and Orthodox and Roman Catholic friends that communication is an ongoing process, both between Eastern Catholic and Orthodox, and between them and the Roman Catholic Church.
May God bless us all!

[Byz Guy]

Good point. Though, in terms of the Catholic/Orthodox ecumenical discussion, I think it is still fairly current.

[ConstantineTG]

Originally Posted by Byz Guy

Good point. Though, in terms of the Catholic/Orthodox ecumenical discussion, I think it is still fairly current.

Well, it seems nothing much has changed on our end anyway.

[ByzCathCantor]

an account of a lecture given in 2010 by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware, on the status of formal Orthodox-Catholic dialogue:

An insider’s view of Catholic-Orthodox dialogue (21 Feb 2010)

and a YouTube video of the lecture:

The Orthodox-Catholic Dialogue - Metropolitan Kallistos Ware (14 Feb 2010)

[jeannetherese]

Thank you for the update. I am looking forward to learning a great deal while reading this thread.
May I ask a question for general clarification purposes to those more experienced with threads in the Eastern Forum? In relation to the posts on this thread: I am reading along with the discussion and encountered this quote:

Originally Posted by Byz Guy
"Good point. Though, in terms of the Catholic/Orthodox ecumenical discussion, I think it is still fairly current. "

Are we referring to Eastern Catholic/Orthodox discussion here or Roman Catholic/Orthodox discussion and is there some sort of identifier that will help me figure this out as I read that should look for as I try to learn from the information shared by the participants?

I do not wish to misinterpret the posts, or to cause disturbance to others due to my lack of experience with terminology that is very familiar to those who regularly post here. I am most hopeful that our Lord will guide us to unity and do not wish to become an obstacle to this process. Many thank-yous for your patience and guidance and for your future updates.
May God bless us all!

[Byz Guy]

I guess I was referring to the Orthodox and Catholic ecumenical dialogue as it pertains to issues relating to Eastern Catholics in particular....Not sure if that answers your question or not.