Do Not Turn Into a Fight - 10 Reasons to Love the EF - Page 3

MikeDunphy · #31 Jun 5, '12, 5:50 am

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Originally Posted by LilyM

And he or she WAS talking about the OF - in a manner that really made it sound like he or she had never even attended one, or at least never noticed where the priest and the altar are located in relation to the congregation!

Does that seem likely? Given that archangel04 neither names nor describes the OF, I think it is more likely that he is not talking about the OF at all, but is thinking about the TLM, and using a military image to describe it.

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And yes, if people make ignorant comments disparaging the EF such as how they don't like the priest 'turning his back on the people' I can and do pick them apart.

Thanks. God bless you.

TrueLight · #32 Jun 5, '12, 8:39 am

This is why sometimes it is wise to avoid these types of threads.

Anytime you prefer something, you prefer it because in your mind it is better in some way. You may prefer vanilla ice cream over vanilla frozen yogurt not only because it tastes better but because it is more filling.

Most people who prefer the EF prefer it not only because it is aesthetically pleasing. And honestly it is hard to explain one's preference without implicitly or explicitly pitting the forms.

So.. danger.

"He who has ears to hear", let him listen.

TimothyH · #33 Jun 5, '12, 8:49 am

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

You may prefer vanilla ice cream over vanilla frozen yogurt not only because it tastes better but because it is more filling.

Tastes Great! Less Filling!

Everything you always wanted in a Mass, and less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pStfv...eature=related

-Tim-

TrueLight · #34 Jun 5, '12, 8:55 am

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Originally Posted by TimothyH

Tastes Great! Less Filling!

Everything you always wanted in a Mass, and less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pStfv...eature=related

-Tim-

Tim....stop making me laugh.

Especially since you're mocking me!!

**ProVobis** · #35 Jun 5, '12, 9:32 am

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

Tim....stop making me laugh.

Especially since you're mocking me!!

Not impressed by the video but I did get a Facebook friend request from what appears to be a model.

thewanderer · #36 Jun 5, '12, 9:32 am

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

This is why sometimes it is wise to avoid these types of threads.

Anytime you prefer something, you prefer it because in your mind it is better in some way. You may prefer vanilla ice cream over vanilla frozen yogurt not only because it tastes better but because it is more filling.

Most people who prefer the EF prefer it not only because it is aesthetically pleasing. And honestly it is hard to explain one's preference without implicitly or explicitly pitting the forms.

So.. danger.

"He who has ears to hear", let him listen.

So long as you accept both forms as valid then you accept that both have, objectively speaking, infinite Grace available.
Even if you think there is something objectively better about the EF you can still phrase it in a personal way here without breaking forum rules and in so doing you will help show others what you see as beautiful in the EF.

I guess I just don't understand why it would be too difficult to phrase something as a personal preference even if one believes there is more to it than simply a personal preference. All I know is that if you phrase it as such there is no way that you are breakin the forum rules and so I don't see how there could be a problem. I am not trying to bait anybody into breaking forum rules, I just thought that people would appreciate a thread where theycan learn more about the EF and why people like it. (Again, note that people can talk about liking something without making any claim that they prefer it to something else, so even if you think a statement of personal preference is too dangerous, surely I you phrase it as simply something you like then no one can possibly have a problem with it)

TrueLight · #37 Jun 5, '12, 9:33 am

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Originally Posted by ProVobis

Not impressed by the video but I did get a Facebook friend request from what appears to be a model.

LOL. You go ahead and believe that.

TrueLight · #38 Jun 5, '12, 9:34 am

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Originally Posted by thewanderer

So long as you accept both forms as valid then you accept that both have, objectively speaking, infinite Grace available.
Even if you think there is something objectively better about the EF you can still phrase it in a personal way here without breaking forum rules and in so doing you will help show others what you see as beautiful in the EF.

I guess I just don't understand why it would be too difficult to phrase something as a personal preference even if one believes there is more to it than simply a personal preference. All I know is that if you phrase it as such there is no way that you are breakin the forum rules and so I don't see how there could be a problem. I am not trying to bait anybody into breaking forum rules, I just thought that people would appreciate a thread where theycan learn more about the EF and why people like it. (Again, note that people can talk about liking something without making any claim that they prefer it to something else, so even if you think a statement of personal preference is too dangerous, surely I you phrase it as simply something you like then no one can possibly have a problem with it)

Is the purpose of the thread to see if anyone who prefers the EF can phrase it as a personal preference?

**ProVobis** · #39 Jun 5, '12, 9:41 am

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

Anytime you prefer something, you prefer it because in your mind it is better in some way. You may prefer vanilla ice cream over vanilla frozen yogurt not only because it tastes better but because it is more filling.

Most people who prefer the EF prefer it not only because it is aesthetically pleasing. And honestly it is hard to explain one's preference without implicitly or explicitly pitting the forms.

So.. danger.

"He who has ears to hear", let him listen.

This is especially true to anyone given a preference test. He has to decide on each question which one of the two he either likes better or dislikes worse. So out of a 100 questions out comes your personality trying to match your compatibility with someone else's. I think I'll leave the rest to the psychologists and marketeers.

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Is the purpose of the thread to see if anyone who prefers the EF can phrase it as a personal preference?

Without annoying someone? Good luck with that.

thewanderer · #40 Jun 5, '12, 10:00 am

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

Is the purpose of the thread to see if anyone who prefers the EF can phrase it as a personal preference?

Not at all. I'm sorry if it came across as though that weere my intent.

The purpose of this thread is to allow people the opportunity to show others the beauty of the EF. However, because of the sensitive nature of this topic and the forum rules it turns out that most people who are in the position to help others see the beauty of the EF are afraid to do so. I was simply trying to come up with a way they could still help show others the beauty of the EF without getting in trouble with the Mods.

Another possibility would of course be if they got the mods to proof-read their post beforehand... but that seems like it would just overload the mods and I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate it if a ton of people started doing this.

TrueLight · #41 Jun 5, '12, 10:02 am

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Originally Posted by thewanderer

Not at all. I'm sorry if it came across as though that weere my intent.

The purpose of this thread is to allow people the opportunity to show others the beauty of the EF.

Ok. I'm not saying you came across that way. I'm just asking.

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Another possibility would of course be if they got the mods to proof-read their post beforehand... but that seems like it would just overload the mods and I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate it if a ton of people started doing this.

You must be kidding.

thewanderer · #42 Jun 5, '12, 10:06 am

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

Ok. I'm not saying you came across that way. I'm just asking.

You must be kidding.

I'm not really sure why you say that. I wasn't implying it as a good option. I don't really think its feasible which is why I suggested that people phrase it as a personal preferance and didn't bring this up earlier. I hardly expect people to do this or think that there is a real need to. Rather it is simply one of the ways someone who wants to post to this thread but is afraid of getting in trouble could make sure that their post will not get them into trouble. Please don't read anything else into what I am saying.

englishredrose · #43 Jun 5, '12, 10:11 am

Forgive me for not being Catholic

but what is the difference between the two not knowing what the initials actually stand for though guess OF is Ordinary Form but what does EF mean Eucharistic Form?

**ProVobis** · #44 Jun 5, '12, 10:25 am

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Originally Posted by englishredrose

Forgive me for not being Catholic

but what is the difference between the two not knowing what the initials actually stand for though guess OF is Ordinary Form but what does EF mean Eucharistic Form?

That's the problem with using acronyms. EF can represent a lot of things but on this forum it is the acronym for Forma Extraordinaria or Extraordinary Form or the 1962 Missal of Blessed Pope John XXIII.

Rich C · #45 Jun 5, '12, 11:16 am

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Originally Posted by englishredrose

Forgive me for not being Catholic

but what is the difference between the two not knowing what the initials actually stand for though guess OF is Ordinary Form but what does EF mean Eucharistic Form?

Loose Analogy;
OF = Rite II
EF = Rite I

The differences between OF and EF are much greater than between Rite II and Rite I, however.