Anglican Use masses in OF parishes??

NorthTexan88 · #1 Jun 4, '12, 9:17 pm

I just got done watching a video of an Anlican Use Mass at Our Lady of Atonment Parish in San Antonio. For English language Masses why don't we use this??? It was beautiful and reverent! Is it only allowed for Anglican Use parishes or can it be said at any parish? Having been in the Anglo-Catholic church before I became Catholic, I have a special place in my heart, and sometimes longing, for the reverent Anglican services (oh how I wish we did Evensong

Stylites · #2 Jun 4, '12, 9:23 pm

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I just got done watching a video of an Anlican Use Mass at Our Lady of Atonment Parish in San Antonio. For English language Masses why don't we use this??? It was beautiful and reverent! Is it only allowed for Anglican Use parishes or can it be said at any parish? Having been in the Anglo-Catholic church before I became Catholic, I have a special place in my heart, and sometimes longing, for the reverent Anglican services (oh how I wish we did Evensong

There's no such thing as an 'OF parish,' by the way.

Here's a link to the Church: http://www.atonementonline.com/index.php

NorthTexan88 · #3 Jun 4, '12, 10:16 pm

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There's no such thing as an 'OF parish,' by the way.

Here's a link to the Church: http://www.atonementonline.com/index.php

By OF I mean the majority of parishes that use the OF

But that didn't really answer my question.

Stylites · #4 Jun 4, '12, 10:22 pm

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But that didn't really answer my question.

I would imagine that a Catholic can licitly attend any other rite which is under the authority of Rome, such as the Anglican Use Rite. Ask your priest or diocese if unsure.

Laetus · #5 Jun 5, '12, 12:14 am

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Originally Posted by NorthTexan88

I just got done watching a video of an Anlican Use Mass at Our Lady of Atonment Parish in San Antonio. For English language Masses why don't we use this??? It was beautiful and reverent! Is it only allowed for Anglican Use parishes or can it be said at any parish? Having been in the Anglo-Catholic church before I became Catholic, I have a special place in my heart, and sometimes longing, for the reverent Anglican services (oh how I wish we did Evensong

The Anglican-use Mass is limited to those parishes (or defined groups using a parish church) who are Anglican-use Latin Rite Catholics.

Why don't we use it? Because this Mass is no better or worse than the already widely disseminated OF Mass. [edited]

liturgyluver · #6 Jun 5, '12, 3:56 am

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Originally Posted by NorthTexan88

I just got done watching a video of an Anlican Use Mass at Our Lady of Atonment Parish in San Antonio. For English language Masses why don't we use this??? It was beautiful and reverent! Is it only allowed for Anglican Use parishes or can it be said at any parish? Having been in the Anglo-Catholic church before I became Catholic, I have a special place in my heart, and sometimes longing, for the reverent Anglican services (oh how I wish we did Evensong

My understanding is that any Catholic can attend, but use of the rite is restricted to the Ordinariate parishes. This is a real shame as it is beautiful rite, and its execution is also far more reverant than the OF.

Bran Stark · #7 Jun 5, '12, 7:59 am

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cause this Mass is no better or worse than the already widely disseminated OF Mass. Keep in mind the author of this Mass, Thomas Cranmer was burned at the stake by the Catholic Church for his efforts as a heretic...

[edited] the Book of Divine Worship. [edited]t translated parts of the Latin Mass into English - beautiful liturgical English far superior to the awkward current translations, in my opinion. The BCP Eucharistic prayer is a new composition, yes, but the BDW doesn't use it - it uses the old Roman Canon.

Also, the BDW is based not on the classical English BCP, but the 1979 American version of it. So it has a lot of new stuff with no connection to Cranmer whatsoever.

Laetus · #8 Jun 5, '12, 12:07 pm

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My understanding is that any Catholic can attend, but use of the rite is restricted to the Ordinariate parishes. This is a real shame as it is beautiful rite, and its execution is also far more reverant than the OF.

That's just your opinion and it's simply not true.

Laetus · #9 Jun 5, '12, 12:09 pm

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[edited] the Book of Divine Worship. [edited]t translated parts of the Latin Mass into English - beautiful liturgical English far superior to the awkward current translations, in my opinion. The BCP Eucharistic prayer is a new composition, yes, but the BDW doesn't use it - it uses the old Roman Canon.

Also, the BDW is based not on the classical English BCP, but the 1979 American version of it. So it has a lot of new stuff with no connection to Cranmer whatsoever.

It all began with Cranmer. I don't see the current missale as being an "awkward current translation."

OraLabora · #10 Jun 5, '12, 12:14 pm

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My understanding is that any Catholic can attend, but use of the rite is restricted to the Ordinariate parishes. This is a real shame as it is beautiful rite, and its execution is also far more reverant than the OF.

Nonsense. It is far more reverent than a sloppily observed OF Mass. Being an OF Mass is not what makes a Mass irreverent. Indiscipline is what makes a Mass irreverent. There are plenty of reverent OF Masses with Gregorian chant, etc. in communities that do care about the Mass.

Please let's avoid gross generalizations and instead put the blame exactly where it belongs: indiscipline.

liturgyluver · #11 Jun 5, '12, 12:16 pm

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That's just your opinion and it's simply not true.

Of course it is my opinion, and I am entitled to it as you are to yours, but please don't tell me that what I am saying is not true simply because you disagree with me.

You obviously have a problem with the Anglican Use Rite - one that the The Pope, the Church, the Congregation for Divine Worship and our Bishops seem not to share, as it is now an authorised rite within the Catholic Church. So snipe all you like but I don't think you are in very good company frankly!

liturgyluver · #12 Jun 5, '12, 12:23 pm

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Nonsense. It is far more reverent than a sloppily observed OF Mass. Being an OF Mass is not what makes a Mass irreverent. Indiscipline is what makes a Mass irreverent. There are plenty of reverent OF Masses with Gregorian chant, etc. in communities that do care about the Mass.

Please let's avoid gross generalizations and instead put the blame exactly where it belongs: indiscipline.

Thanks, I think you have articulated what I meant to express: sadly my experience of sloppily observed OF masses and indiscipline has been far too common.

Laetus · #13 Jun 5, '12, 2:40 pm

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Nonsense. It is far more reverent than a sloppily observed OF Mass. Being an OF Mass is not what makes a Mass irreverent. Indiscipline is what makes a Mass irreverent. There are plenty of reverent OF Masses with Gregorian chant, etc. in communities that do care about the Mass.

Please let's avoid gross generalizations and instead put the blame exactly where it belongs: indiscipline.

Amen!

Usbek de Perse · #14 Jun 5, '12, 2:52 pm

Just a note: The ante-communion in the Book of Divine Worship is straight out of Rite 1 of the 1979 Book of Common Prayer of the Episcopal Church. The Canon (or Prayer of Consecration) is the old English (not really old English but the thy and thou version) of the Roman Canon. And to tell you the truth, if you like that, you would be enthralled by the 1928 Book of Common Prayer. Sadly the Episcopal Church elected to modernize even some of the traditional language prayers in the 1979 BCP and even more sadly, the Roman Church chose to keep these modernized versions instead of reverting to the beautiful language of Thomas Cranmer of blessed memory.

We in the Episcopal Church are pleased that you are making good use of our excellent liturgies. You are also welcome to see them in their real form any Sunday at your local Episcopal Church (which welcomes you).

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My understanding is that any Catholic can attend, but use of the rite is restricted to the Ordinariate parishes. This is a real shame as it is beautiful rite, and its execution is also far more reverant than the OF.

Usbek de Perse · #15 Jun 5, '12, 3:06 pm

If you read the prayerbooks of Cranmer, you would probably not say that.

The new Catholic mass text is a marked improvement over the previous one. And, if you look at the Nicene Creed, you would be pleased to see how close it gets to the sublimity of Cranmer's translation. Just not close enough. I'm sorry. The ICEL is a committee. Cranmer was a genius.

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It all began with Cranmer. I don't see the current missale as being an "awkward current translation."