Did Mary Know?

[catholicanne]

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Did Mary know that Jesus was the Savior?

[Godfollower]

Originally Posted by catholicanne

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Did Mary know that Jesus was the Savior?

Yes.

And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren: Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. And Mary rising up in those days, went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda. And she entered into the house of Zachary, and saluted Elizabeth.

And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.

And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.

Luke 1:26-55.

And there were in the same country shepherds watching, and keeping the night watches over their flock. And behold an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the brightness of God shone round about them; and they feared with a great fear. And the angel said to them: Fear not; for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, that shall be to all the people:

For, this day, is born to you a Saviour, who is Christ the Lord, in the city of David. And this shall be a sign unto you. You shall find the infant wrapped in swaddling clothes, and laid in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly army, praising God, and saying: Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will. And it came to pass, after the angels departed from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another: Let us go over to Bethlehem, and let us see this word that is come to pass, which the Lord hath shewed to us.

And they came with haste; and they found Mary and Joseph, and the infant lying in the manger. And seeing, they understood of the word that had been spoken to them concerning this child. And all that heard, wondered; and at those things that were told them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these words, pondering them in her heart.

Luke 2:8-19.

[AthenaC]

She knew, but I don't think she knew exactly what that would mean. So she watched Jesus's life unfold the way any mother watches her child's life unfold.

[Todd Easton]

St. Joseph knew. (Matthew 1:21.) Difficult to imagine that he would keep this wonderful info from his wife.

[PJM]

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Did Mary know that Jesus was the Savior?

Yes! Here's the Proof!

Luke 1 :26-35"And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. [And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; [color="DarkRed"]and thou shalt call his name Jesus. [[/COLOR He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?[MEANS I'ma VIRGIN] [35] And the angel answering, said to her:[God] The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

AND CHECK OUT Mary's response:

Lk. 1:46-55
"And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him".

"He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever"


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[AthenaC]

Originally Posted by Todd Easton

St. Joseph knew. (Matthew 1:21.) Difficult to imagine that he would keep this wonderful info from his wife.

Well, you never know. Some men are the strong, silent type.

Plus, I can think of many times where a friend has mentioned something, assuming I know already, and then I look at my husband in confusion and he says, "What? I know I told you this!" Sometimes men think they tell their wives things but they don't.

[LoyalViews]

Oh yes! Of course Our Lady knew! What I cannot comprehend is what her joy must have been. How happy would you be if you were told you were going to be the Mother of the Saviour of the World, Mother of the second Person of the Trinity, the Mother of God?

I don't imagine you'd say "okay now what?"

[Godfollower]

Originally Posted by LoyalViews

Oh yes! Of course Our Lady knew! What I cannot comprehend is what her joy must have been. How happy would you be if you were told you were going to be the Mother of the Saviour of the World, Mother of the second Person of the Trinity, the Mother of God?

I don't imagine you'd say "okay now what?"

"Mary, congratulations! Your Son has saved humanity through His heroic sacrifice, ending the dominion of original sin, redeeming the entire human race, and opening the gates of Heaven! Now what?"

"I'm going to Disney World!"

[Bballer32]

Originally Posted by Godfollower

"Mary, congratulations! Your Son has saved humanity through His heroic sacrifice, ending the dominion of original sin, redeeming the entire human race, and opening the gates of Heaven! Now what?"

"I'm going to Disney World!"

YESSSSS

You could also say:

"I'm going to Heaven body and soul!!! Wooohoooo! Eternal Happiness!"

[Evan]

Originally Posted by LoyalViews

Oh yes! Of course Our Lady knew! What I cannot comprehend is what her joy must have been. How happy would you be if you were told you were going to be the Mother of the Saviour of the World, Mother of the second Person of the Trinity, the Mother of God?

I don't imagine you'd say "okay now what?"

I can agree with the bolded part. Mary was Jewish and had no concept of the Savior being God. That is the great surprise that was revealed by Jesus in his ministry.

She did not know she was Mother of God when he was a child. Perhaps by his death, she did.

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by catholicanne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci7-W...feature=fvwrel

Did Mary know that Jesus was the Savior?

Didn't the Angel Gabriel tell her exactly that?

[tafan]

Originally Posted by AthenaC

She knew, but I don't think she knew exactly what that would mean. So she watched Jesus's life unfold the way any mother watches her child's life unfold.

Read the bible passages quoted above and you simply cannot come to that conclusion. She knew Jesus was the savior, she knew he was the Son of God, and she understood what that meant. It is very clear in the bible.

Did she know all of the details of his public ministry and passion and resurection? probably not, so you are partially right about how she watched his life unfold. But she knew as lot. She was told, St Joseph was told, and Zachariah/Elizabeth were also told quite a bit. It is inconcievable that they did not share the information among themselves.

[Evan]

Originally Posted by tafan

she knew he was the Son of God, and she understood what that meant. It is very clear in the bible.

Where do you come to that conclusion.

I assume by Son of God you are referring to Jesus being God, 2nd person of the trinity.
{not one of the 'sons of God' referred to in Gn 6, Job 1, 2, 38, Ps 89}

[tafan]

Originally Posted by Evan

Where do you come to that conclusion.

I assume by Son of God you are referring to Jesus being God, 2nd person of the trinity.
{not one of the 'sons of God' referred to in Gn 6, Job 1, 2, 38, Ps 89}

Yes, I am referring to being God,the 2ndperson of the trinity. The Jews did not understand the trinity, but the Gospels make it very clear that they equated the term "Son of God" with being God. Mary knew that her son was the incarnate God.

And the angel told her explicitly "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever". And Elizabeth greeted her as the mother of her Lord, and Mary certainly accepted her greeting. And Zachary knew that his son woudl "go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways". And Joseph was told that Christ would forgive the people their sins (which could only refer to God to a ancient Jew).

It is impossible to accept all of the biblical details of the birth of Christ, while understanding Jewish faith at that time, and conlude anything other than Mary knew that Jesus was God.

[Evan]

Originally Posted by tafan

Yes, I am referring to being God,the 2ndperson of the trinity. The Jews did not understand the trinity, but the Gospels make it very clear that they equated the term "Son of God" with being God. Mary knew that her son was the incarnate God.

And the angel told her explicitly "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever". And Elizabeth greeted her as the mother of her Lord, and Mary certainly accepted her greeting. And Zachary knew that his son woudl "go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways". And Joseph was told that Christ would forgive the people their sins (which could only refer to God to a ancient Jew).

It is impossible to accept all of the biblical details of the birth of Christ, while understanding Jewish faith at that time, and conlude anything other than Mary knew that Jesus was God.

You make a good argument.

However (you knew that was coming), I find it works better in hindsight. After Mary knew Jesus was God (maybe at some time in his public ministry) she may have understood those earlier references as Godly titles.
Son of the Most High... could be anyone. We are all sons of God
Mother of her Lord... could be confusing, Lord could just refer to the heir to the Davidic throne
Don't know if Zach told Mary of this, how he phrased it, etc
Forgive sins? Could be he would be a conduit of God's grace (like a Jewish priest) that brings the forgiveness of sins rather than forgiving in his own name.

So, I still hold to the idea that Mary held these things in her heart and reflected on what they could mean, RATHER than knowing what they meant from day 1.