A Blessing of a Seminarian??!!

[Jester Catholic]

Hello Everyone!!!



I have always wonder if a drunk Priest pursue a mass knowingly his drunk
and a seminarian is along with Him and almost the end of the mass the final blessing
the Priest cannot control His mind and collapses but have enough energy to....


A. Permit the seminarian to bless the people

B. Collapses and everybody take a look and start talking each other


Its only a fantasy and not to taken seriously


Now in my main question is if one of those cases happened is gonna happen in A. or B.
or is there such thing a seminarian can bless in the mass still I would kindly
ask you all your opinion


Thx Jester



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[thistle]

Originally Posted by Jester Catholic

Hello Everyone!!!



I have always wonder if a drunk Priest pursue a mass knowingly his drunk
and a seminarian is along with Him and almost the end of the mass the final blessing
the Priest cannot control His mind and collapses but have enough energy to....


A. Permit the seminarian to bless the people

B. Collapses and everybody take a look and start talking each other


Its only a fantasy and not to taken seriously


Now in my main question is if one of those cases happened is gonna happen in A. or B.
or is there such thing a seminarian can bless in the mass still I would kindly
ask you all your opinion


Thx Jester



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The priest is the celebrant. If he is unable to continue to the end of the Mass then another priest has to be found to complete the Mass. It cannot be completed by the non-ordained.

[maryjk]

No, even then the Seminarian wouldn't have the power to say the final blessing.

[Cristiano]

If there is no final blessing the mass is still valid, I would not worry too much about that. I would be more concerned about a seminarian allowing a priest, that is so drunk, to celebrate Mass, that could probably be a real source of scandal, of invalid consecration, and of sacrilege. The final blessing would be the last of my concerns.

[thistle]

Originally Posted by Cristiano

If there is no final blessing the mass is still valid, I would not worry too much about that. I would be more concerned about a seminarian allowing a priest, that is so drunk, to celebrate Mass, that could probably be a real source of scandal, of invalid consecration, and of sacrilege. The final blessing would be the last of my concerns.

[Jester Catholic]

Thank you for the clarifications guys!

[L Marshall]

I don't have anything to cite, but I believe a deacon is allowed to give liturgical blessings if the priest is indisposed.

[thistle]

A priest friend of mine just gave me this answer:

" If a priest after the Consecration falls ill or dies and he was celebrating Mass in a very remote place, like the middle of the Mongolian Desert, the Congregation should "complete" the celebration by receiving the Body and Blood of Christ. It would not be an obligation to find another priest because of the impossibility of getting another priest to finish the Mass.

For the essentials of the Sacrificial Meal of the Mass one has to be present at the Offertory, (hence if one comes into the Church after the Offertory he has not attended the Eucharist) the Consecration and Holy Communion (hence one must not leave the Church until the Priest has received Holy Communion).

The Final Blessing is not an essential part of the Mass. But without a good reason one should not leave the Church until after the Final Blessing (and the final hymn). Some people leave before the Final Blessing and the Final Hymn giving the impression that they have fulfilled a burdensome obligation as a minimum requirement, instead of rejoicing that they have encountered the Living Glorious Risen Lord, the greatest possible privilege the Lord can confer on us."

[EasterJoy]

Originally Posted by thistle

A priest friend of mine just gave me this answer:

" If a priest after the Consecration falls ill or dies and he was celebrating Mass in a very remote place, like the middle of the Mongolian Desert, the Congregation should "complete" the celebration by receiving the Body and Blood of Christ. It would not be an obligation to find another priest because of the impossibility of getting another priest to finish the Mass.

For the essentials of the Sacrificial Meal of the Mass one has to be present at the Offertory, (hence if one comes into the Church after the Offertory he has not attended the Eucharist) the Consecration and Holy Communion (hence one must not leave the Church until the Priest has received Holy Communion).

The Final Blessing is not an essential part of the Mass. But without a good reason one should not leave the Church until after the Final Blessing (and the final hymn). Some people leave before the Final Blessing and the Final Hymn giving the impression that they have fulfilled a burdensome obligation as a minimum requirement, instead of rejoicing that they have encountered the Living Glorious Risen Lord, the greatest possible privilege the Lord can confer on us."

IOW, once the consecration is complete, if it is necessary the Mass can proceed at any point after that as if it had been a communion service, provided that the priest cannot proceed as normally required?