Protestant bishop blessing Catholics at IEC 2012 - Page 3

superamazingman · #31 Jun 13, '12, 11:21 am

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Originally Posted by arkwright

It is not true at all .

You have much to learn about ecumenism as taught by the Magisterium .

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .

Really? Post some magisterial documents to the contrary.

FAH · #32 Jun 13, '12, 11:30 am

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Originally Posted by arkwright

It is not true at all .

You have much to learn about ecumenism as taught by the Magisterium .

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .

So are you saying that the Catholic Church is not the only true church?

**JharekCarnelian** · #33 Jun 13, '12, 11:54 am

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Originally Posted by FAH

So are you saying that the Catholic Church is not the only true church?

Even the Church does not teach that and recognises other Churches such as the Orthodox Churches, Assyrian Church of the East and others as valid Churches.

**JharekCarnelian** · #34 Jun 13, '12, 11:56 am

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Originally Posted by superamazingman

Really? Post some magisterial documents to the contrary.

See post 21 by LilyM for a far more nuanced view of this matter rather than approaches that border on the polemical.

Kevin812 · #35 Jun 13, '12, 12:03 pm

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Originally Posted by JharekCarnelian

See post 21 by LilyM for a far more nuanced view of this matter rather than approaches that border on the polemical.

Post 21 is not in conformity to Catholic doctrine.

**JharekCarnelian** · #36 Jun 13, '12, 12:06 pm

My mistake, I should have said post 10. I fail to see why there is such a furore about this event.

**LilyM** · #37 Jun 13, '12, 12:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin812

Post 21 is not in conformity to Catholic doctrine.

We're not allowed to say blessings over our food any more? Or are those prayers of blessing just sham and ineffective (ie the food remains unblessed by God in spite of our prayers to the contrary)?

chaunceygardner · #38 Jun 13, '12, 12:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Irish Hare

The Church of Ireland (Anglican) Bishop Michael Jackson 'blessed' holy water and Catholic pilgrims at Monday's proceedings of the International Eucharistic Congress in Dublin, Ireland....

There's a story here...but I don't think it mentions the blessing and the holy water.

I read the story in the link, and then did a search for other stories. I could not find anything about the Anglican Bishop blessing holy water. How do you know this happened?

I attended ecumenical services at my former parish several times. It has been held annually on Palm Sunday for the past four decades. The local Catholic and Protestant churches gather, with music, readings and a homily involving the various churches. It was very good and the place was packed. There was no communion at this service, but I recall that there was a blessing that involved the priests and ministers and all the people, irrespective of their denomination. Sometimes one of our bishops "presided".

I don't know if the Pope approved what occurred in Dublin, but he did say a prayer for the success of the congress. And it would seem strange to me that with all the hierarchy of the Irish Catholic Church there, along with others from around the world, that they would allow something that was improper to occur. If they don't know what is right and proper, who does?

benjohnson · #39 Jun 13, '12, 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by arkwright

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .

Thank you, but there's truly no need. The Catholic Church has been wise and kind to us Lutherans. The Catholic Church's actions are a reminder to us of God's grace.

For myself, I find joy and hope in seeing Christians together facing God. "For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

Kevin812 · #40 Jun 13, '12, 12:15 pm

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Originally Posted by LilyM

We're not allowed to say blessings over our food any more? Or are those prayers of blessing just sham and ineffective (ie the food remains unblessed by God in spite of our prayers to the contrary)?

Please re-read the (your) post in question......... and please see my post that believes this is off topic to the thread and suggests that you might start a separate thread.

**JharekCarnelian** · #41 Jun 13, '12, 12:17 pm

Considering the history of Christianity in Ireland and considering that for a long time there was an akward stilted relationship between Catholicism and the Church of Ireland it is actually irksome to see outsiders to Ireland coming along and playing triumphalist cards that have caused nothing but grief and pain for us all in Ireland over the centuries. Especially when the article should be taken as shown the mutual respect the Irish Churches (including relative newcomers such as the Orthodox) try and extend to each other.

**LilyM** · #42 Jun 13, '12, 12:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Kevin812

Please re-read the (your) post in question......... and please see my post that believes this is off topic to the thread and suggests that you might start a separate thread.

You're saying only priests can bless. I'm saying we all can and many of us do. No, we don't do it in the same way a priest does, of course not, but we can and do it nonetheless.

As I've said, if this were not so we wouldn't be allowed to say that prayer over our meals, we wouldn't be able to say 'God bless you' to people, or anything similar.

arkwright · #43 Jun 13, '12, 1:10 pm

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Originally Posted by superamazingman

Really? Post some magisterial documents to the contrary.

I suggest that you do some of your own research in the hope that you will at the least start to become enlightened .

YoungTradCath · #44 Jun 13, '12, 2:07 pm

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Originally Posted by arkwright

It is not true at all .

You have much to learn about ecumenism as taught by the Magisterium .

I apologize to any non-RCs who may read this sort of falsehood on forums such as this one . The negative comments are not representative of most in the Catholic Church .

The ultimate point of ecumenism is to convert non-Catholics.

**LilyM** · #45 Jun 13, '12, 2:55 pm

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Originally Posted by YoungTradCath

The ultimate point of ecumenism is to convert non-Catholics.

And sensible people, from St Paul onward, realized that you don't get results by beating them over the head with your truth.

Let's start with how he preached to the Athenians. Did he stand in the marketplace and say 'I am right, you are wrong, your priests are no priests, your gods are demons. Tear down your temples and altars and cease your blasphemous sacrifices'?

No. He learned about their faith, which implies gentle inquiry rather than belligerent grandstanding, even went into their temples and observed who, what and how they worshipped.

Then he starts something like 'men of Athens, I can see that you fear God and are devout' Praising what he can, being silent about what he can't. Building on what he shares with them - 'I see that you worship the Unknown God. That is my God, the one true God.'

As I said, no real hint of condemnation or that they are less-than. He does say they do not know what they worship, but is not harsh or condemning of their imperfect knowledge.