Sex, Church, State, Marriage

CopticChristian · #1 Jun 12, '12, 7:53 am

The queen is head of the Anglican Church and this morning I heard and confirmed that there are issues in England that are caused by the notion of Same Sex Marriage. It threatens to undermine the Anglican community. It was said that this is the biggest issue to face the Anglican community in the last 500 years.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...e-sex-marriage

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Mr Summerskill's remarks come after the Church of England said that introducing gay marriage would threaten the establishment of the Church of England and lead to an unprecedented clash between its own canon law - that marriage is between a man and a woman - and that of Parliament.

When it is asked what are the consequeces of the Reformation...this may be one of them.

JaKael02 · #2 Jun 12, '12, 8:36 am

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Originally Posted by CopticChristian

The queen is head of the Anglican Church and this morning I heard and confirmed that there are issues in England that are caused by the notion of Same Sex Marriage. It threatens to undermine the Anglican community. It was said that this is the biggest issue to face the Anglican community in the last 500 years.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...e-sex-marriage

When it is asked what are the consequeces of the Reformation...this may be one of them.

I heard about that news. Makes sense.

Reformation eventually lead to the seperation of Church & State which eventually leads to secularism which eventually leads to Christian persecution.

Aelred Minor · #3 Jun 12, '12, 10:26 am

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Originally Posted by JaKael02

I heard about that news. Makes sense.

Reformation eventually lead to the seperation of Church & State which eventually leads to secularism which eventually leads to Christian persecution.

In this case, as in many, the Reformation led to the fusion, not separation, of Church and State. From Henry VIII on canon law has been a category of state law in England. Anyone in England and Wales can have an Anglican wedding regardless of their own faith, because after all the Church just operates as an agent of the State. Since the Church of England does not appear to be about to recognize same-sex "marriage", recognition of it by the State would mean a difference between Church law and civil law. This would be revolutionary from an Anglican perspective, undermining the very concept of what an established church is.

CopticChristian · #4 Jun 12, '12, 6:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Aelred Minor

In this case, as in many, the Reformation led to the fusion, not separation, of Church and State. From Henry VIII on canon law has been a category of state law in England. Anyone in England and Wales can have an Anglican wedding regardless of their own faith, because after all the Church just operates as an agent of the State. Since the Church of England does not appear to be about to recognize same-sex "marriage", recognition of it by the State would mean a difference between Church law and civil law. This would be revolutionary from an Anglican perspective, undermining the very concept of what an established church is.

Aelred,

It makes me wonder that since the Queen is the head of the Church and the possibility exists that Parliament may legalize same sex marriage, can the Queen force Canon law to be revised?

If this happens then what?

Aelred Minor · #5 Jun 13, '12, 11:51 am

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Originally Posted by CopticChristian

Aelred,

It makes me wonder that since the Queen is the head of the Church and the possibility exists that Parliament may legalize same sex marriage, can the Queen force Canon law to be revised?

If this happens then what?

The British monarch does not exercise much actual control over the Church of England any more despite being its head, much like how she does not exercise much control over the State anymore, despite being its head.